No.109539
>>109537thanks for the fixs BTW
I thank no, cause the "real" Epke noticed that Maya liked the same music as him. so start a conversation with her.
but it's weird that Maya fantasize about him, maybe she over thought it and kept on remembering him, so that could be why he is in Maya's daydreams.
No.109541
I think he said see you later because it was the polite thing to say after watching someone spill that much spaghetti over themselves. And he started the conversation cause he had never met another Death Grips fan. Epke seems like a normalnigger and can probably do better (from his perspective) than a weird greasy haired girl on the bus who might already be in an open relationship.
No.109542
>>109541you forgot the fact that epke is a MAN and we're all equally attracted to mentally ill women
No.109543
>>109542depends what mental illness they have.
Maya has ADD, autism, and socially anxiously, but how is Epke supposed under Maya has all that when all he sees to a girl listening to Music on the bus!!
No.109544
>>109539I don’t think Maya would try talking to Epke again after the bus without some huge character development, but I think he is one of her imaginary friends because he is definitive proof to her that there are people around that have similar interests. So it lingers in her head, that if she just tried talking to people and reaching out more she could actually make a friend. That knowledge probably makes her miserable because now on top of feeling lonely she feels guilty knowing she is at least partly to blame for it, and she still feels incapable of doing the reaching out that would be needed, making her feel even more guilty.
<but loneliness is an extrovert conspiracy No.109545
>>109542This is not the average normalnigger mindset sadly
No.109546
>>109544I think that character development would have to come mainly from Maya herself with Coco pushing Maya towards a new goal. but of course Maya doesn't like Coco for reasons such as thinking of Coco as her replacement (same with mymy), Coco (and mymy) connecting with people, and (this for a joke) going outside. this would logically make tension since Maya hates herself so much that she would rather not be Maya (this was in Mayamails BTW).
I wish Massa Continued the show still.
No.109550
>>109546Yeah I agree I just didn’t want to say it would be totally impossible for Maya to ever try talking to Epke again, but he would obviously not play a role in Maya’s struggle to deal with her anxiety. Any development in this regard would need to be about Maya’s personal inner growth and how her sisters affect or ideally, help her during. And yeah the Mayamails do a good job showing the extent of Maya’s guilt and self loathing. Unfortunately if Massa did continue it he would’ve just ruined it out of spite, so it’s up to us to keep the ‘lig alive.
No.109551
>>109550i should write a fanfic about them getting together, but its not pedophile troonslop and actually good
No.109553
>>109550I do think Coco would be the biggest pusher, Mymy second, then maybe others. and Massa would find a way to fuck shit up in the end.
Also Ongezellig media goes from great (true gems/zems) to horrable (aka "that's enough internet for today")
and it's our responendabty to keep Ongezellig alive
we have great people working on Ongezellig media (like Onion Dweller)
>>109551and you go write that fanfic. made trash or make it a true gem, I would love to read it.
No.109554
>>109551I think it would be more interesting to write about how Maya is even able to get to the point where she could be in a relationship than about the relationship itself. Otherwise it would probably just end up as Epke rescuing Maya from her problems like a white knight which I think is usually an uninteresting story. There was a fanfic being discussed in the fic thread last week where this played out but with Roos instead of Epke, and it suffered from the same problem, on top of being essentially yuricoal.
No.109556
>>109554agreed, but it depends how you write. I write about the Schoppenboer sisters cause we know the most about them. we don't know much about the other characters other than what Massa said about them or we just make stuff up ourselves.
No.109557
>>109553im actually in the process of writing something else, but i might write it when i become more experienced (no im not brian griffin, im actually writing something)
<its based off the episode concept where coco beats the shemmy out of Mayas bully cuz its funny or whatever No.109558
>>109554thats the part that'll make it hard, though. trying to figure out how to get maya to a point where she can even talk to someone, let alone get together with someone
No.109560
>>109558sometimes you just got to say "fuck it, they're goin' to Arkansas" (IDK why I choices Arkansas) and write form there
No.109561
>>109559ok, im about 3/4ths of the way done with the first draft, and hope to have it done by the end of october.
its probably gonna be coal, but my goal was to just make it so it wasnt completely and utterly unbearable to read (like total opposites or a different look at life or 10 dutch days)
No.109562
>>109560theres only so much you can do with that, because the reader will know the author forced it and itll take them out of the experience
No.109563
>>109558Yeah it is hard trying to write Maya overcoming her problems in a convincing way, but I feel like that’s what makes a well written fic so compelling. And writing anything about a Maya relationship without first having her deal with those problems feels like putting the horse before the cart to me. But please share anything you write in the fic thread, I would love to read it.
No.109564
>>109560Arkansascord is very active tonight clearly
No.109565
>>109563ok, but dont expect the epke thing for a while, i wanna write a few more things before i tackle that (and itll probably take me solving my own problems first so i can get a grasp as to how itll work)
No.109566
>>109563also are you reffering to this thread?
>>104616 No.109567
>>109565No I don’t care about the epke thing, I think there are much more interesting things in zellig to write about, but whatever it is you do decide to write, it is always great to share it. Good luck with the writing and the problems zaryan.
No.109568
>>109566Yeah that’s the one I was thinking of, I’m sure there are other, older fic threads thoughbeit. Maybe even a workshopping thread somewhere, or one could be started.
No.109570
COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC:
but i think Massa handled Mayamail kinda poorly. having Maya say that Coco is "blackmailing her" i find to be kinda unrealistic. people of this mental state tend to do nothing but blame themselves for everything.
No.109571
>>109561I can't wait til October now, I would love to see your character development of Maya
>>109562it's normally used it machinimas, but you can still used to write and it can be more local like Maya grandparents.
>>109563I do like thinking that Coco is a ball pusher/ net positive for Maya. just by the way Coco deals with her past and carries herself. (we can properly write about how Coco suffers from PTSD)
No.109572
>>109571>I can't wait til October now, I would love to see your character development of MayaSorry but this ones more from the perspective of Coco, but it does change to Mayas perspective towards the end so i guess theres that
No.109573
>>109570Well Maya definitely does resent Coco for being Ms. Perfect, and to some degree thinks Coco’s attempts at getting her to socialize are designed to humiliate her. Maya probably does blame mostly herself for her problems but she thinks Coco has never tried to actually help her and has at times made them worse by forcing her into things.
No.109574
>>109543>ADD, autism, and socially anxiousFake and gay Jewish terms
No.109575
>>109560I'm in your mind now nigga.
No.109576
>>109572Coco and Maya, well this will be wonderful when I read it. I would love to how you characterize the characters
>>109574sorry,I mean peak, peak, and more peak
No.109578
>>109571Coco’s PTSD is probably a big part of why she and Maya can’t understand each other. For Coco missing out on things is painful because she misses her time with her family and never wants to waste time again with her new family and friends.
She thinks all Maya needs is some nudging in the right direction to appreciate family and make friends. But these efforts are misread by Maya as Coco belittling her and unfortunately will just push them further apart until they make more of an effort to understand each other’s problems.
No.109581
>>109578PTSD is a fake and gay Jewish term that didn't exist before (((WWI))).
No.109583
>>109581Well whatever you want to call it, her family dying to a retarded deranged farm raiding
lightning strike is clearly one of her major motivations.
And even if the term didn’t exist, people have had major psychological damage from violence and trauma for centuries.
No.109584
>>109583What about Medevil times?
No.109585
>>109583We should come up with something better then
The Lighting Strike it's suck and there's no way one lighting strike could kill two people (I could be wrong).
No.109586
>>109584As far back as ancient Mesopotamia soldiers have been recorded having mental changes when returning to civilian life. I’m sure some medieval pikemen were never the same after seeing their friend flattened by a trebuchet.
No.109587
>>109576Well now I feel far more pressure geg (not really)
No.109588
>>109587that's good, I don't want to worry you.
No.109590
>>109585Apparently a lightning strikes can directly kill up to about 20 people semi regularly. It’s happened in Bangladesh and Africa a few times.
No.109591
>>109589
but what would make Coco vulnerable. we do see that Coco doesn't like being called an orphan by Maya. so what would make Coco think of her parents (maybe the lighting strike). which then we can see how Maya would get closer to Coco.
No.109592
>>109590Interesting, thanks for the information.
No.109593
>>109589
(sorry, post again,)
but what would make Coco vulnerable. we do see that Coco doesn't like being called an orphan by Maya. so what would make Coco think of her parents (maybe the lighting strike). which then we can see how Maya would get closer to Coco.
No.109594
>>109591(sorry, post again,and sorry for spam I'm being a retard right now)
but what would make Coco vulnerable. we do see that Coco doesn't like being called an orphan by Maya. so what would make Coco think of her parents (maybe the lighting strike). which then we can see how Maya would get closer to Coco.
No.109595
>>109580There’s the rub. The central issue of how to make two broken people understand each other when the ways they are broken make even understanding the way the other is broken extremely difficult. Lots of fics use Maya reaching some kind of breaking point and having an outburst, which is not necessarily a terrible explanation, but it usually is done poorly. I think Maya seeing Coco when she is vulnerable would crack her image in Maya’s mind and can be a good place to start looking. How or why this would happen and what it would look like, I have no clue.
No.109596
>>109594I’m a retard too I deleted the post and reposted it geg. Maybe Coco losing something, like a friend, would bring up her existential angst in a way that is not anger, and Maya could see it when it’s not pointed at her.
No.109597
>>109595but what would make Coco crack? I know it would properly do with her past.
No.109598
>>109596but which friend, maybe it's losing family?
No.109599
>>109598I meant more like a friend moving away, a bandmate maybe, and I don’t know if she has any family left to lose sadly unless Ravi, Soei, or Mymy is gonna be sacrificed for the sake of plot. I don’t think it even needs to be a substantial loss for it to affect Coco because of her relationship with loss, it could be trivial from Maya’s perspective which is why it might crack the princess image. Or maybe something Maya can relate to more, like what if Coco had a south african stuffed animal that was ruined somehow?
No.109600
>>109599from out of the band mates Yfke, Cleo, and Zoey. Yfke is the most likely to move away, properly back to Friesland. or maybe someone else but we don't know much about Coco's relations with the other classmates (I think)
and that South African Stuffed Animal could work depend how people would write.
also we do know a super tiny bit about one of the Schoppenboer sister Grandparents. but I don't see them dying since ravi and soei are in their 40s.
No.109601
>>109600I think it’s completely fair to write more for a character if you want to make them better friends with Coco in a fic, if you only stick to what is canon, then you couldn’t write anything new. The important thing is to keep new information grounded and have it be built off of what we DO know. We do know that Coco is friends to some extent with basically everyone in their class because Maya says not being Coco’s friend is an achievement.
I think it is Soei’s parents that run a store in the Mayamails because Maya says if she goes there during the party she will be getting unlimited spring rolls, but they don’t seem old enough to be dying of natural causes.
No.109602
>>109601we don't know their dynamic, so we have make up our own (examples Koos, Wiel, Adam,) which, what we know about, we can write about it, since the 'stereotypes'(I think stereotype is the right word here but tell me if I'm worng) would be bases for the characters themselves so we. and we have to make new characters sometimes (like Yana from Onion dweller) but we like you said "make them grounded" so them would fit the world and won't be self-insert characters(which are really boring and cliché). I mean we need more teachers than just Ms. Vera. (since most schools have more than one teacher.(I know obvious))
and no member of the Schoppenboer family would die at any point it's still too early.(which I hope I made clear)
No.109604
>>109602I think your feeling towards how to flesh out the other characters’ dynamics, making it grounded, and avoiding self insert slop already puts you ahead of a great majority of the fic writers bro
No.109606
>>109604yeah, I see self-inserts as "I hate my nigger life" type stuff or stuff which is useless. we have plenty of character to use and since Massa wouldn't make more epsodes, it's up to us to make new Ongezellig content.
and thank you.
No.109607
>>109606Trvth orbital strike.
No.109608
I want to make a Sinterklass video super badly
No.109619
>>109537It's the self insert of a dirtskin from Egypt, what do you think?
No.109626
>>109541niggers be spazzing out over one line of dialogue that doesnt prove anything
No.109627
>>109563if i were to write the ending i'd make it more about maya finding the first step to overcoming her problems, or i'd do a 180 and have her get worse. either way the ending needs to imply change, not go through the full process of it
No.109628
>>109570nigga the characters are overexaggerated, thats the point
No.109633
>>109585Plaasaanvalle is a far better one
No.109639
>>109586Just did some more research, and wow, this raisin is pretty interesting.
No.109640
>>109590>Zeus kills shitskins for fungeg
No.109641
>>109627I agree that implying change works very well as an ending, because all we need to see is that Maya is now capable and wants to do it, and I assume this is how Massa would’ve ended it. In a fic this helps keep the scope limited and therefore she can be written more consistently. But the idea for Maya ending by getting worse is straight from satan.
No.109643
>>109626Idk which line you mean specifically but I just don’t think there is any evidence Epke likes Maya from a 40 second interaction on the bus where she acts like a retard
No.109647
>>109641you might be right, but her story doesn't read conclusive to me. i can imagine her loneliness would either consume her like it already is or she'd gain a more realistic perspective, and have that be the start of her building some sort of life for herself, kind of like what watamote did. but she's too static for a traditionally bad or happy ending.
No.109648
>>109644I love Maya I’m not trying to be mean to her, but there is no reason Epke would walk away from that thinking Maya is anything but totally cringe.
No.109649
>>109647My thought is that if her loneliness is still consuming her, then her story really hasn’t been even partly resolved. She could become more like Zoey, where she remains quiet and introverted but no longer hates herself for it. But I agree a normal happy/bad ending doesn’t really make a ton of sense, and leaving it somewhat open is better.
No.109650
>>109648no he'd think she's a based schizo autist cutie and make plans to go to rape city with her
No.109651
>>109649yeah i'll admit im romanticizing her loneliness a bit
No.109652
>>109651Happens to everyone, many such cases
No.109739
One challenge when writing someone like Maya getting better is the fact that, people in this mental state think that they are undeserving of love. When it’s given to them, they feel ashamed, like they shouldn’t have been loved because they don’t offer anything to anyone. Or any act of love is so foreign to them, it’s treated as hostile
No.109757
>>109739You can't simply write someone like Maya, you have to be a Maya or it'll come off as a grift by someone who has never endured those hardships. That's why Ongezellig can't be replicated but by the hand of Massa, and not even the present-day Sam, we need the incel sore loser who browsed imageboards Sam
No.109764
>>109757>we need the incel sore loser who browsed imageboards SamOngezellig was written by the married Sam though
No.109765
>>109764you can be married and a sore loser at the same time
No.109769
>>109768he will always be an incel
No.109806
>>109757funny thing is, I kinda am like Maya (not kidding, I have mental issues that I really need to resolve GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG)
No.109807
>>109806this is a website for mayas albeit
No.109808
>>109806Autism Denial Disorder?
No.109820
Mental disorders are actually jewish since (((they))) suffer from those the most
No.109831
>>109827Who de foek is Je
No.109833
>>109832Oh I thought you were implying "jew"
No.109834
>>109833Jews are the worst, why would I compare my fellow Zaryans to Jews?
No.109837
>>109834Idk, can dyslexia be the reason?
No.109937
>>109935It involved a giant Maya
And a very small Epke
Coswork would have liked it
No.109940
>>109937>>109935its on AO3 (DO NOT READ IT)
No.109941
>>109931>>109937why would you even mention that
No.109942
giant maya
No.110175
>>109769depends, is he one of those soycucks or does she actually like him
No.110250
>>110248that's wonderful, take your time, and I will read it when your finished, no hurry in greatest.
No.110253
>>110250Replied in less than 2 minutes award
>giga.png No.110256
>>110250It was initially supposed to be one little story, but I realized that I could just use this as a beginning, I began to add in more things until none of it made sense as the initial draft didnt account for any of it.
Writing it hard
No.110259
>>110256>>110257Writing is hard, you have to come up with a lot of stuff and work with it to make the story.
No.110265
Isn’t this just basic human interaction nigga
No.110273
>>110268I think he’s talking about the original post about Maya and Epke being normal human interaction, not about the writing discussion the thread has become.
No.110274
>>110273he forgor the two right arrows and the numbers
No.110276
>>110274Occasionally I do the same thing and just reply to the thread instead of replying to the OP, without knowing the thread has changed topic at that point.
No.110277
>>110273I love when threads do that geg
No.110752
>>110250since I’m a lazy fuck and have barely gotten anything done, im taking a break from this project and doing a short, simple one so I can hopefully motivate myself to continue with the original. I’m not spoiling cuz it’s probably gonna be done my the end of the week
No.110759
>>110277that's okay, I'll still love to read it and this shorter one, remember please post both here.
No.111976
>>111975im not going to make any promises on the other one
No.112196
>>112008gotta love ADHD cuz my initial idea for the Coco Cures Bullying thing somehow managed to evolve into what is essentially the outsiders. I haven’t written anything yet, as I am focused on getting these two short stories done before I get to work on what will probably be the length of a novel. I’ll work as much as I can as marching band season has been kicking my ass and taking away my free time, so I probably won’t get them out until like November (geg all you want about me doing Marching Band but we’ve won more trophies than our football team)
No.112198
>>112196I hope you finish your these stories I'll love to read them, and I love marching bands and bands in general, and I also play an instrument, I play piano.
and I know it is hard to focus but keep up the great work, I hope you manage and pull though.
No.112454
>>112198ok change of plans. im writing the first chapter of my outsiders knockoff and will leave it alone until i come back to it whenever. i feel like this is the best course of action as its the main thing on my mind right now, and restraining myself from being able to write it just seems rather stupid to me
No.112455
>>112454new project are always nice, just make sure to finish.because it seems you procrastinating a little, but I hope you finish all you're project.
No.112466
>>112455i think i am procrastinating, but ive found a program that locks my pc aside from specific websites and apps, so ill be using that to force myself to write (after i do my SNCA homework that will tank my grade if i dont do them)
No.112468
>>112466Using parental controls on yourself is very aryan
No.112469
>>112466that's great, to control yourself and force (and focus on your studies), I'll still love to read your work when you're finished. knock one down so you can do the rest
No.112483
>>112469i feel like itll be a domino effect, where im like "ok fine ill write" and the more i write, the less likely ill ne finding excuses not to write, which leads to more writing, you get the picture
No.112484
>>112483I understand, just make sure your finish. for me at least, I really want to read your work
No.112485
>>112484i wont disappoint (as for the quality, i cant promise anything)
No.112486
>>112485ok can i promise it wont be completely unbearable like 10 Dutch Days or A Different Look At Life, I can guarantee that
No.112487
>>112485>>112486I read worst than 10 Dutch days, so anything better than that is like gold.
No.112488
>>112487yeah i really dont understand how those predditors call 10 dutch days "peak"
No.112491
>>112488they don't read good media sadly.
No.112542
>>112484k so i got a page of the draft done in… 2 hours…
granted i did keep re-writing, which you really shouldn't do until the editing phase, but I did it anyway.
ill keep updating you on progress so i can have the incentive to keep writing
No.112543
>>112542that's wonderful, can't wait to read or reread it, and keep up with the updates and remember to post it here when you're finished and I can't wait to read it. (I think I could write this better but still I love to read it)
No.112618
>>112543ok I VVILL write today, but it’ll probably be only a couple paragraphs, as I won’t be home until pretty late and will likely be very tired and not want to do too much, but I’ll see how it goes
No.112620
>>112618can't wait to see it.remember to set your priorities. I hope you finish soon.
No.112646
>>112618ok nevermind im fucking exahusted.
though ill get home at 12 PM tomorrow because i have PSAT so ill probably get 2 pages done tomorrow (or more if I unbind my delete key)
No.112738
>>112646i got roughly a page done (one paragraph was written out of order because i feared id forget what i wanted to write if i didnt write it down immedietly) hoping to get it around halfway done tomorrow. friday and saturday are going to be a shitshow so im probably not going to get much writing done
No.112882
>>112741ok so i finished the first scene of 3. the second one is the longest, and the third is the shortest, so the draft will probably be done by wednesday.
actually im going to set that deadline, im gonna get it done before then or on that day just because i should probably set deadlines so i can actually write more
No.112885
>>112882so I will expect this by wednesday? that sooner than I thought, I glad for you are keep up with the information.
setting deadlines is always wonderful and make sure you're prepared for the future
No.112887
>>112885nononono i will have the draft done by then
idk how long editing will take, probably a week or more
No.112888
>>112887cuz i dont wanna just look at it and say "eh good enough" and just post it, because thats how you get 10 Dutch Days
No.112890
>>112885what i meant by "get it done" was the draft, not the final product. sorry that i was a bit unclear on that
No.112892
>>112885sorry for getting your hopes up
No.112928
>>112885updootorino or whatever, but i am currently half-way done with the DRAFT of the second scene
I say I again, I am DRAFTING right now. When the draft is done, THEN I will set a deadline for when I want the FINAL VERSION (of this chapter) out
No.112990
>>112930ok, so ive set a deadline for it to be actually done, november 10th. i chose this day specifically because 1. i didn't know you had to wait like 10 days for you to get an AO3 account. and 2. it'll be the first time ill have a bunch of free time since the beginning of the month
No.112993
imagine theres nothing imagine he didnt write anything and hes just been lying that would be so geggy
No.112994
>>112993>another project cancelled out of spite againim tired zootler…
No.112998
>>112991it will be finished by that date (doe if i finish before the 6th, i wont be able to post it because ao3 account bs)
No.113062
>>112999what does xhis mean
No.113141
>>112990ok so apparently i have NYTL (boy scout SNCA that i dont wanna do) for 2 weekends after the 1st, so i dont even get a weekened. fuck this.
though i dont have practices anymore, so hopefully that will make up for the fact that no writing will be able to get done on the days where im supposed to have free time (unless i can find a way out of it because i honestly hate boy scouts and dont want to be in it)
ill try my best to get it out by the 10th still, but it might have to be pushed back a couple days
No.113142
>>113141(though i could just write on my phone cuz its a doc, and ill hopefully be writing a lot more because ill be so bored out of my mind and have to find something to do)
No.113144
>>113141Scouting is keyed, it’s a shame they let in foids
No.113145
>>113142doe now that im thinking about it, since ill have the draft done on wednesday, it shouldn't influence the overall editing thing all that much (hopefull) as itll just be about re-wording/re-writting paragraphs, so it shouldn't affect it that much
No.113157
>>113143isnt that rule 8 break or however im obsessed with rules
No.113160
>>113144>2020+5>doing literally any outdoors activityNGMI
No.113225
>>109817also this is le keyed
No.113231
>>113223correction:
i feel like putting it in the second chapter would just feel more natural, as having the third scene in chapter 1 and then having it end abruptly just seems weird
No.113310
>>113309sorry i uploaded the wrong image geg
No.113314
>>113308kys mayagod tripfag tranny
No.113330
>>113321questions. questions.
No.113501
>>113223i just looked back at the thread and realized that i started this 10 days ago… and finished the draft 3 days ago…
i genuinely thought id been working on this draft for a month
thoughbeit i had been working on other crap then did this cuz it was cool or whatever
No.113502
>>113500that's okay, enjoy the rest of your day or night, I hope I you continue.
>>113501time flies bye when your having fun. anyways nice work.
No.113508
>>113503":3" writer albeit