Ongezellig

>>109537
thanks for the fixs BTW

I thank no, cause the "real" Epke noticed that Maya liked the same music as him. so start a conversation with her.
but it's weird that Maya fantasize about him, maybe she over thought it and kept on remembering him, so that could be why he is in Maya's daydreams.

I think he said see you later because it was the polite thing to say after watching someone spill that much spaghetti over themselves. And he started the conversation cause he had never met another Death Grips fan. Epke seems like a normalnigger and can probably do better (from his perspective) than a weird greasy haired girl on the bus who might already be in an open relationship.

>>109541
you forgot the fact that epke is a MAN and we're all equally attracted to mentally ill women

>>109542
depends what mental illness they have.
Maya has ADD, autism, and socially anxiously, but how is Epke supposed under Maya has all that when all he sees to a girl listening to Music on the bus!!

>>109539
I don’t think Maya would try talking to Epke again after the bus without some huge character development, but I think he is one of her imaginary friends because he is definitive proof to her that there are people around that have similar interests. So it lingers in her head, that if she just tried talking to people and reaching out more she could actually make a friend. That knowledge probably makes her miserable because now on top of feeling lonely she feels guilty knowing she is at least partly to blame for it, and she still feels incapable of doing the reaching out that would be needed, making her feel even more guilty.
<but loneliness is an extrovert conspiracy

>>109542
This is not the average normalnigger mindset sadly

>>109544
I think that character development would have to come mainly from Maya herself with Coco pushing Maya towards a new goal. but of course Maya doesn't like Coco for reasons such as thinking of Coco as her replacement (same with mymy), Coco (and mymy) connecting with people, and (this for a joke) going outside. this would logically make tension since Maya hates herself so much that she would rather not be Maya (this was in Mayamails BTW).
I wish Massa Continued the show still.

>>109542
>you forgot the fact that epke is a MAN and we're all equally attracted to mentally ill women

>>109546
Yeah I agree I just didn’t want to say it would be totally impossible for Maya to ever try talking to Epke again, but he would obviously not play a role in Maya’s struggle to deal with her anxiety. Any development in this regard would need to be about Maya’s personal inner growth and how her sisters affect or ideally, help her during. And yeah the Mayamails do a good job showing the extent of Maya’s guilt and self loathing. Unfortunately if Massa did continue it he would’ve just ruined it out of spite, so it’s up to us to keep the ‘lig alive.

>>109550
i should write a fanfic about them getting together, but its not pedophile troonslop and actually good

>>109550
I do think Coco would be the biggest pusher, Mymy second, then maybe others. and Massa would find a way to fuck shit up in the end.
Also Ongezellig media goes from great (true gems/zems) to horrable (aka "that's enough internet for today")
and it's our responendabty to keep Ongezellig alive
we have great people working on Ongezellig media (like Onion Dweller)
>>109551
and you go write that fanfic. made trash or make it a true gem, I would love to read it.

>>109551
I think it would be more interesting to write about how Maya is even able to get to the point where she could be in a relationship than about the relationship itself. Otherwise it would probably just end up as Epke rescuing Maya from her problems like a white knight which I think is usually an uninteresting story. There was a fanfic being discussed in the fic thread last week where this played out but with Roos instead of Epke, and it suffered from the same problem, on top of being essentially yuricoal.

>>109553
Luv me dweller

>>109554
agreed, but it depends how you write. I write about the Schoppenboer sisters cause we know the most about them. we don't know much about the other characters other than what Massa said about them or we just make stuff up ourselves.

>>109553
im actually in the process of writing something else, but i might write it when i become more experienced (no im not brian griffin, im actually writing something)
<its based off the episode concept where coco beats the shemmy out of Mayas bully cuz its funny or whatever

>>109554
thats the part that'll make it hard, though. trying to figure out how to get maya to a point where she can even talk to someone, let alone get together with someone

>>109557
I would love to read that. (maybe put it animated form?)so when your finished please post the link

>>109558
sometimes you just got to say "fuck it, they're goin' to Arkansas" (IDK why I choices Arkansas) and write form there

>>109559
ok, im about 3/4ths of the way done with the first draft, and hope to have it done by the end of october.

its probably gonna be coal, but my goal was to just make it so it wasnt completely and utterly unbearable to read (like total opposites or a different look at life or 10 dutch days)

>>109560
theres only so much you can do with that, because the reader will know the author forced it and itll take them out of the experience

>>109558
Yeah it is hard trying to write Maya overcoming her problems in a convincing way, but I feel like that’s what makes a well written fic so compelling. And writing anything about a Maya relationship without first having her deal with those problems feels like putting the horse before the cart to me. But please share anything you write in the fic thread, I would love to read it.

>>109560
Arkansascord is very active tonight clearly

>>109563
ok, but dont expect the epke thing for a while, i wanna write a few more things before i tackle that (and itll probably take me solving my own problems first so i can get a grasp as to how itll work)

>>109563
also are you reffering to this thread?
>>104616

>>109565
No I don’t care about the epke thing, I think there are much more interesting things in zellig to write about, but whatever it is you do decide to write, it is always great to share it. Good luck with the writing and the problems zaryan.

>>109566
Yeah that’s the one I was thinking of, I’m sure there are other, older fic threads thoughbeit. Maybe even a workshopping thread somewhere, or one could be started.

>>109567
>No I don’t care about the epke thing, I think there are much more interesting things in zellig to write about, but whatever it is you do decide to write, it is always great to share it. Good luck with the writing and the problems zaryan.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC:

but i think Massa handled Mayamail kinda poorly. having Maya say that Coco is "blackmailing her" i find to be kinda unrealistic. people of this mental state tend to do nothing but blame themselves for everything.

>>109561
I can't wait til October now, I would love to see your character development of Maya
>>109562
it's normally used it machinimas, but you can still used to write and it can be more local like Maya grandparents.
>>109563
I do like thinking that Coco is a ball pusher/ net positive for Maya. just by the way Coco deals with her past and carries herself. (we can properly write about how Coco suffers from PTSD)

>>109571
>I can't wait til October now, I would love to see your character development of Maya
Sorry but this ones more from the perspective of Coco, but it does change to Mayas perspective towards the end so i guess theres that

>>109570
Well Maya definitely does resent Coco for being Ms. Perfect, and to some degree thinks Coco’s attempts at getting her to socialize are designed to humiliate her. Maya probably does blame mostly herself for her problems but she thinks Coco has never tried to actually help her and has at times made them worse by forcing her into things.

>>109543
>ADD, autism, and socially anxious
Fake and gay Jewish terms

>>109560
I'm in your mind now nigga.

>>109572
Coco and Maya, well this will be wonderful when I read it. I would love to how you characterize the characters
>>109574
sorry,I mean peak, peak, and more peak

>>109575
Happens.

>>109571
Coco’s PTSD is probably a big part of why she and Maya can’t understand each other. For Coco missing out on things is painful because she misses her time with her family and never wants to waste time again with her new family and friends.
She thinks all Maya needs is some nudging in the right direction to appreciate family and make friends. But these efforts are misread by Maya as Coco belittling her and unfortunately will just push them further apart until they make more of an effort to understand each other’s problems.

>>109575
>The Arkansascord is real

>>109578
you. you understand, but how would they resolve it. my head it empty at the moment.

>>109578
PTSD is a fake and gay Jewish term that didn't exist before (((WWI))).

>>109579
No just me.

>>109581
Well whatever you want to call it, her family dying to a retarded deranged farm raiding lightning strike is clearly one of her major motivations.
And even if the term didn’t exist, people have had major psychological damage from violence and trauma for centuries.

>>109583
What about Medevil times?

>>109583
We should come up with something better then The Lighting Strike it's suck and there's no way one lighting strike could kill two people (I could be wrong).

>>109584
As far back as ancient Mesopotamia soldiers have been recorded having mental changes when returning to civilian life. I’m sure some medieval pikemen were never the same after seeing their friend flattened by a trebuchet.

>>109576
Well now I feel far more pressure geg (not really)

>>109587
that's good, I don't want to worry you.

>>109585
Apparently a lightning strikes can directly kill up to about 20 people semi regularly. It’s happened in Bangladesh and Africa a few times.

>>109589
but what would make Coco vulnerable. we do see that Coco doesn't like being called an orphan by Maya. so what would make Coco think of her parents (maybe the lighting strike). which then we can see how Maya would get closer to Coco.

>>109590
Interesting, thanks for the information.

>>109589
(sorry, post again,)
but what would make Coco vulnerable. we do see that Coco doesn't like being called an orphan by Maya. so what would make Coco think of her parents (maybe the lighting strike). which then we can see how Maya would get closer to Coco.

>>109591
(sorry, post again,and sorry for spam I'm being a retard right now)
but what would make Coco vulnerable. we do see that Coco doesn't like being called an orphan by Maya. so what would make Coco think of her parents (maybe the lighting strike). which then we can see how Maya would get closer to Coco.

>>109580
There’s the rub. The central issue of how to make two broken people understand each other when the ways they are broken make even understanding the way the other is broken extremely difficult. Lots of fics use Maya reaching some kind of breaking point and having an outburst, which is not necessarily a terrible explanation, but it usually is done poorly. I think Maya seeing Coco when she is vulnerable would crack her image in Maya’s mind and can be a good place to start looking. How or why this would happen and what it would look like, I have no clue.

>>109594
I’m a retard too I deleted the post and reposted it geg. Maybe Coco losing something, like a friend, would bring up her existential angst in a way that is not anger, and Maya could see it when it’s not pointed at her.

>>109595
but what would make Coco crack? I know it would properly do with her past.

>>109596
but which friend, maybe it's losing family?

>>109598
I meant more like a friend moving away, a bandmate maybe, and I don’t know if she has any family left to lose sadly unless Ravi, Soei, or Mymy is gonna be sacrificed for the sake of plot. I don’t think it even needs to be a substantial loss for it to affect Coco because of her relationship with loss, it could be trivial from Maya’s perspective which is why it might crack the princess image. Or maybe something Maya can relate to more, like what if Coco had a south african stuffed animal that was ruined somehow?

>>109599
from out of the band mates Yfke, Cleo, and Zoey. Yfke is the most likely to move away, properly back to Friesland. or maybe someone else but we don't know much about Coco's relations with the other classmates (I think)
and that South African Stuffed Animal could work depend how people would write.

also we do know a super tiny bit about one of the Schoppenboer sister Grandparents. but I don't see them dying since ravi and soei are in their 40s.

>>109600
I think it’s completely fair to write more for a character if you want to make them better friends with Coco in a fic, if you only stick to what is canon, then you couldn’t write anything new. The important thing is to keep new information grounded and have it be built off of what we DO know. We do know that Coco is friends to some extent with basically everyone in their class because Maya says not being Coco’s friend is an achievement.
I think it is Soei’s parents that run a store in the Mayamails because Maya says if she goes there during the party she will be getting unlimited spring rolls, but they don’t seem old enough to be dying of natural causes.

>>109601
we don't know their dynamic, so we have make up our own (examples Koos, Wiel, Adam,) which, what we know about, we can write about it, since the 'stereotypes'(I think stereotype is the right word here but tell me if I'm worng) would be bases for the characters themselves so we. and we have to make new characters sometimes (like Yana from Onion dweller) but we like you said "make them grounded" so them would fit the world and won't be self-insert characters(which are really boring and cliché). I mean we need more teachers than just Ms. Vera. (since most schools have more than one teacher.(I know obvious))

and no member of the Schoppenboer family would die at any point it's still too early.(which I hope I made clear)

>>109602
I think your feeling towards how to flesh out the other characters’ dynamics, making it grounded, and avoiding self insert slop already puts you ahead of a great majority of the fic writers bro

>>109604
yeah, I see self-inserts as "I hate my nigger life" type stuff or stuff which is useless. we have plenty of character to use and since Massa wouldn't make more epsodes, it's up to us to make new Ongezellig content.
and thank you.

>>109606
Trvth orbital strike.

I want to make a Sinterklass video super badly

>>109537
It's the self insert of a dirtskin from Egypt, what do you think?

>>109541
niggers be spazzing out over one line of dialogue that doesnt prove anything

>>109563
if i were to write the ending i'd make it more about maya finding the first step to overcoming her problems, or i'd do a 180 and have her get worse. either way the ending needs to imply change, not go through the full process of it

>>109570
nigga the characters are overexaggerated, thats the point

>>109585
Plaasaanvalle is a far better one

>>109586
Just did some more research, and wow, this raisin is pretty interesting.

>>109590
>Zeus kills shitskins for fun
geg

>>109627
I agree that implying change works very well as an ending, because all we need to see is that Maya is now capable and wants to do it, and I assume this is how Massa would’ve ended it. In a fic this helps keep the scope limited and therefore she can be written more consistently. But the idea for Maya ending by getting worse is straight from satan.

>>109641
< But the idea for Maya ending by getting worse is straight from satan.
Hope, she doesn't go too far

>>109626
Idk which line you mean specifically but I just don’t think there is any evidence Epke likes Maya from a 40 second interaction on the bus where she acts like a retard

>>109643
(be nicer to Maya :( )

>>109641
you might be right, but her story doesn't read conclusive to me. i can imagine her loneliness would either consume her like it already is or she'd gain a more realistic perspective, and have that be the start of her building some sort of life for herself, kind of like what watamote did. but she's too static for a traditionally bad or happy ending.

>>109644
I love Maya I’m not trying to be mean to her, but there is no reason Epke would walk away from that thinking Maya is anything but totally cringe.

>>109647
My thought is that if her loneliness is still consuming her, then her story really hasn’t been even partly resolved. She could become more like Zoey, where she remains quiet and introverted but no longer hates herself for it. But I agree a normal happy/bad ending doesn’t really make a ton of sense, and leaving it somewhat open is better.

>>109648
no he'd think she's a based schizo autist cutie and make plans to go to rape city with her

>>109649
yeah i'll admit im romanticizing her loneliness a bit

>>109651
Happens to everyone, many such cases

>>109650
that's weird, but sort of true.

One challenge when writing someone like Maya getting better is the fact that, people in this mental state think that they are undeserving of love. When it’s given to them, they feel ashamed, like they shouldn’t have been loved because they don’t offer anything to anyone. Or any act of love is so foreign to them, it’s treated as hostile

>>109739
You can't simply write someone like Maya, you have to be a Maya or it'll come off as a grift by someone who has never endured those hardships. That's why Ongezellig can't be replicated but by the hand of Massa, and not even the present-day Sam, we need the incel sore loser who browsed imageboards Sam

>>109757
>we need the incel sore loser who browsed imageboards Sam
Ongezellig was written by the married Sam though

>>109764
you can be married and a sore loser at the same time

>>109765
Example: Doll

>>109765
Still not incel

>>109768
he will always be an incel

>>109757
funny thing is, I kinda am like Maya (not kidding, I have mental issues that I really need to resolve GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG)

>>109806
this is a website for mayas albeit

>>109806
Autism Denial Disorder?

>>109542
>"mental disorders are so cute" niggers when its a 30 year old man attacking their neighbor because they think hes gonna kill them because he hallucinated aliens in his room telling him, and not a shy chick with a pink sketch book

>>109808
>>109806
Autism Denial Disorder?

Mental disorders are actually jewish since (((they))) suffer from those the most

>>109820

>>109820 (Me)
>>109822

>>109820

>>109825
found a pic of je

>>109827
Who de foek is Je