No.128880
i was looking on the 'ru and saw these friend books that piss me off so much. here's my spergerald why:
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Coco:
>I am good at: I don't want to brag
Bullshit. Have you ever met a humble 8 year old?
>I don't like: Wasting time
I sincerly doubt that any child would be concerned about something as insignificant to them as time
>Animal: Turritopsis Dohrnii
and
>What I want to be when I grow up: Very old
Are incredibly unsubtle in what it's trying to say. <Coco lost her parents! So she's like, le scared of death! So, she'd like thing that live forever and she'd like, wanna live forever!
Change her animal to something more realistic, as with all of the animals in South Africa, I doubt a child would pick something as ugly as a jellyfish. Change what she wants to be to something like a nurse or a vet, which shows she's always liked helping people (which is realistic!!!)
It's really, really on the nose.
Overall with this one: Very on the nose, and doesn't feel like a child wrote this.
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Maya:
>My Hobbies: Using the computer
I highly doubt she would've gotten a computer this young with a mother like Soei.
>My Sports: None
Again, I highly doubt that Maya wouldn't play sports with a mother like Soei.
>I'm not that good at: Paying attention
I doubt that any child would have any concept of "paying attention" or even know that they're bad at it. There are far more things that she could be bad at, but NOPE. Gotta go with the on the nose
<She was always bad at paying attention, which was like, le foreshadowing for le ADHD!
>I really don't like: School
This is really boring. There could've been so many interesting things here that she doesn't like that could've revealed more about her character, but Massa just decided to state the obvious.
>Vacation: Home
Bullshit. Just Bullshit. What child have you ever met that didn't like going on vacation? What child hasn't loved going to an amusement park? An Aquarium? A Zoo?
>My biggest wish: Not having to go to school anymore
I'm positive there are other things she wants more, like her cat.
>What I want to be: I dunno
Genuine, unfiltered, unimaginable bullshit. You cannot excuse something as stupid as this. Have you ever met an 8 year old that didn't want to be an Astronaut? A Racecar Driver? An F1 Driver? A Firefighter? Football Player? Superhero? It is so on the nose with
<Le Maya was never le happy!
Which is bullshit and boring. If Maya used to be happy and full of optimism and whimsy, it makes it far more interesting, and tragic, when she becomes bitter and cynical. Loss of innocence is really upsetting, but I can't feel bad for someone who was apparently never innocent (which is stupid)
Overall: This was trying way too hard to build sympathy for Maya, and it all falls apart when you think about it beyond a surface level. It feels like the expository crashout: It feels deep and insightful, but it's unrealistic, unimpactful, and incredibly shallow. I said it once and I'll say it again: Having Maya lose her innocence and whimsy is far more tragic and saddening than her never having them in the first place
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Mymy:
This will probably start some leakage, but I really don't like Mymy. She doesn't belong in a show as grounded as Ongezellig. She feels like she was taken from another show, and feels more like a gag-machine than an actual character. Massa literally said that she left for the Netherlands when she was 6 by sneaking out of Japan, and that she went there because she "Thought it was better." To me, this shows that Massa threw her in last second without much thought, and made her backstory that because he thought it was "funny" instead of actually trying to come up with an interesting explanation as to how she ended up in the Netherlands like Coco did. She should've honestly been cut from the show (or been relegated to a background character) and had Maya and Coco's relationship be center stage. But NOPE! Can't cut that because it's too funny, am I right? No need to worry that a wacky and zaney character will undercut my original intentions!
Anyway with my second sperg out of the way, it pisses me off that this is the only one that makes sense. It feels like someone who understands nothing about the world wrote it (LIKE A CHILD!!! *GASP* CRAZY!!!!!)
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overall, these friendbooks (and Maya's Sweet 16 in general) are trying way too hard to build sympathy and intrigue, but did in such an on the nose way, it makes the characters feel fake. It doesn't feel like I am reading the friend book of a real child with real thoughts, feelings, and desires. It feels like I'm reading from the script of Amazing Digital Circus with how unsubtle everything is.
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Little rant about Maya's Sweet 16:
This was such a wasted opportunity of a comic. The dream sequence is yet another example of Massa trying to build sympathy without taking the effort to build it naturally. Her dream sequence is practically grabbing you by the neck and screaming in your face YOU MUST FEEL BAD FOR HER! THIS IS SAD! SHE'S CRYING, SEE? DON'T YOU FEEL BAD?! It also jumps into it WAAAAY too quickly, and this is a consequence of the comic being too short.
Her vomiting to avoid celebrating her birthday and going to school also feels like a lazy excuse for Massa to not have to write anything "uncomfortable" that would've actually built sympathy. We could've seen how her self hatred results in her being overwhelmed with shame when show even a shred of gratitude from her sisters. We could've how she freezes up and doesn't know what to do when she's the center of attention. We could see how she's utterly incapable of functioning in a social setting, constantly on the verge of a panic attack if she has to so much as speak to anyone. We could see how she's shaky and anxious throughout the whole day, worried people are judging her for the slightest thing. All these thing stacking on top of each other and building tension, making the reader wonder if she's gonna be able to get through the day without having a meltdown.
But no, instead we just got her throwing up and never getting to see any of that.
What a waste of potential.
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TL;DR Massa is pretty bad at writing
No.128881
>>128880I never read darkwolf/writerfail's schizo ramblings but I'm CERTAIN this is better
No.128883
the friendbookjes are clearly the current personalities and interests of the girls projected onto their younger self and with this perspective it is makes more sense.
No.128884
>>128880I can relate to maya on some points so that's not too wrong. I'd say it's her innate desire to be introverted. other than that makes sense.
you could've delivered this message more /calm/ly zaryan, lower your cortisol for a longer and healthier life
No.128885
>>128881Getting mad as children is something
… but anyways yeah. I only read Coco and Maya's, I read the rest tomorrow. And it would be hard writing children when you a nasty degenerate brony who smells like absolute shit
No.128888
>Are incredibly unsubtle in what it's trying to say. <Coco lost her parents! So she's like, le scared of death! So, she'd like thing that live forever and she'd like, wanna live forever!
Terribly misreading it, she just wants to be a nice old lady. Wholesome kind hearted child ambitions. Kys massahater you will never make anything. Saged your seethe
No.128889
>>128880>Bullshit. Have you ever met a humble 8 year old?yes? even if they're rare, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.
>I sincerly doubt that any child would be concerned about something as insignificant to them as timehave you considered that maybe you were just a stupid kid?
>I doubt a child would pick something as ugly as a jellyfish.children love weird animals, what are you talking about?
>with a mother like Soei.elaborate. i don't remember Massa describing Soei as strict.
>I doubt that any child would have any concept of "paying attention" or even know that they're bad at it.have you considered that maybe you were just a stupid kid? again, even if it's unrealistic, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.
>but Massa just decided to state the obvious.you get mad at Massa's writing for being unrealistic, but then when he writes something realistic and expected, you call it too obvious.
>What child have you ever met that didn't like going on vacation?Adam Lanza. some children have separation anxiety, whether it be for their parents or for their home.
>Genuine, unfiltered, unimaginable bullshit. You cannot excuse something as stupid as this. Have you ever met an 8 year old that didn't want to be an Astronaut? A Racecar Driver? An F1 Driver? A Firefighter? Football Player? Superhero?are you even a human? lots of children are unsure about what they want to be.
No.128891
massa would have been better off relegating the writing of ongezellig to someone possessing an affinity for subtlety and most importantly, eloquence.
it would be unsurprising if he never thought of this, or, thought of it and decided against it. he has a history of having awful judgement and making equally awful decisions that go against what he needs in favor of what he wants:
>i don't like talking to people outside of my inner circle so i'm going to make a discord server (this decision is a nonsensical exception, he has shown himself to hate interacting with the masses, i can only assume he was peer pressured into doing this).
>i need money so i'm going to exclusively use a dutch alternative to patreon and never sell merch (i think everybody can agree that intentionally warding off success for the sake of a supposedly lofty ideal, that is clearly anything but, is ridiculous and self-destructive).
>internationals have taken a liking to my work for the first time, so i'm going to immediately alienate them.
>ongezellig is my most successful work, so i'm going to shun it and pretend that it doesn't exist like an abusive parent.ongezellig didn't have to be a failure and this proves it.
>>128883it makes sense but it's still awful. this show doesn't attract third worlders like a flame attracts moths for no reason.
No.128899
>>128881>darkwolf/writerfailliteral who
No.128902
>>128883that was exactly my point. it didnt feel like a child was writing it, it felt like massa was writing it
No.128903
>>128889>yes? even if they're rare, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.i shouldve added more to this point originally so my bad, but i was trying to say that children dont really care if they brag or not.
>have you maybe considered you were just stupid as a kidyeah im a stupid kid because i wasnt concerned with time when an hour felt like a day
>children love weird animals!not really my point but i did word it pretty piss poor. i was trying to say that the only reason this was picked was because Massa wanted to emphasize that Coco was scared of death instead picking something that a child would ACTUALLY pick
>elaborate. i don't remember Massa describing Soei as strict.he said in a leaked paypig call that she was "a bitch" who ignores Maya and puts a lot of pressure on Coco, but I think that Soei would've put pressure on Maya for a while
>have you considered that maybe you were just a stupid kid? again, even if it's unrealistic, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.also bad way of putting on my part. i should've just said that it feels like Massa wrote this instead of a child
>you get mad at Massa's writing for being unrealistic, but then when he writes something realistic and expected, you call it too obvious.also shit way of putting my point (god i should've proofread this). i meant to say it like "massa had an opportunity for exposition but wasted it"
>Adam LanzaAdam Lanza was a fucking psychopath was mental disorders up the wazoo. Maya has ADHD and ADHD only.
>are you even a human? lots of children are unsure about what they want to be.that's fair. i should've removed that bit and have it exclusively focus on Massa simply doing it because "le maya was never le happy!" instead of making it more tragic that she wanted to be something but ended up losing that interest
No.128906
>>128905>you dont know this literal who so you a nuzoi!i dont give a shit about namefags
No.128907
>>128903>Adam Lanza was a fucking psychopath was mental disorders up the wazoo.he definitely wasn't a psychopath. he had autism, ocd, and sensory integration disorder. he was fairly normal as a kid and i think him and Maya are pretty similar personality wise (Adam even envied his more popular older brother, the same way Maya envies Coco).
No.128908
>>128907i feel like comparing her to adam lanza is pretty extreme considering one killed 26 people and the other just doesnt like people all that much
No.128911
>>128910pretentious little cuck
No.128918
>>128917>curry's orange hairwhat
No.128919
>>128918Yes Curry has Orange hair
And I think someone said Ketchup was also turned into Mymy
No.128927
>>128919>and bumblebee!ass character
No.128929
>>128881I STILL DONT KNOW WHO THESE PHONOS ARE
No.128931
>>128917>>128918>>128919>>128927Sorry I mixed them up It's Mayo with the orange hair.
No.128932
>>128931yeah idk why massa switched their names like that
you'd think that mayo would be maya and curry would be coco but
NOOOOOOO!! THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE! No.128943
>>128927Zeg
>>128932Curry brown because pajeet
Mayo white because cracker
Hair doesn't matter
No.128945
While we're clittyleaking I always thought it was retarded to have two of the three main characters be named "Maya" and "Mymy." It's just confusing at first.
No.128946
>>128945Meds, their names are beautiful, gender affirming and not retarded.
No.128947
>>128880MassaLee, I kneel…
No.128951
>>128932I think Massa said that they inspired Maya and Coco
No.128954
>>128889Trvke that eternally BTFO massa haters nusois
>>128903A kid not knowing what to do when she grows up doesn't mean she's unhappy, you're onto nothing