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Kubanoids are like a Paul Miller if he was a demographic group but in Eastern European context, if in nutshell.
Pomors are a finno-scando-slavic mix, they are similar to your WASPs or, rather, the Americans of the Scandinavian descent from Wisconsin, Dakota and Minnesota.
Uralic are a russian parody of the swedish Saami.
I meant how they live and act in the flesh. I must have seen them in videos and movies about Russia but their idiosyncrasies and faces were not imprinted into a category.
>пусть у меня корова сдохнет, но чтобы у соседа две померли
Now I understand why Ukraine claims that Kuban is their.
Evendoe that stereotype has always been about Ukrainians. Really, you can't just say "no u" on everything you don't like, can you?
>Evendoe that stereotype has always been about Ukrainians
Only in your mokshanian heads. Everyone else used to think it's about ruskies.
>Really, you can't just say "no u" on everything you don't like
I know that everything russians accuse any other white nation of is their own failures which they try to extrapolate to others.
>Everyone else used to think it's about ruskies.
Never heard about such a stereotype, sounds like crap tbh, that's too concretely for westerners who don't know who Russians are and too fake for someone like Poles or Finns. I can belive that they really think we heat the stove with firewood or that we have no canalization cuz, unfortunately, it may be truth in a countryside, but not in that. We need a westernGOD to solve it for the sake of objectivity.
>I know that everything russians accuse any other white nation of is their own failures which they try to extrapolate to others.
And I know that every nazi is judisch. You just don't like Russians and commies so you blame them for everything.
>sounds like crap tbh
I'm literally non-russian and I confirm it's true, it's the common impression of russians/russian-speaking (!!!) in former Soviet Union.
>And I know that every nazi is judisch.
Kek rustards really think that nazism is "jewish and blyaaaa".
>You just don't like Russians and commies so you blame them for everything.
Translation from ziggerbabble: "you can't blame race traitors and non-whites for everything it's so racist and chauvinist, our dedy died for this multipolar multiracial multinational shithole evil empire so you can't hate it!!!"
>>5037
>I'm literally non-russian
Enough. Btw I know some people from Urzikstans and they think so about Ukrainians, not Russians. Not like they're right, that's a stereotype after all.
>Kek rustards really think that nazism is "jewish and blyaaaa".
That's da point. You may (((know))) anything, that's your (((subjective))) opinion.
>you can't blame race traitors and non-whites for everything
Even if we were race traitors and non-whites, you couldn't blame us for everything, that's ridiculous. Not Chlenin nor Sralin has made Da West fall.
>our dedy died for this multipolar multiracial multinational shithole
Our dedy died so Russian nation could survive, but some of them really appreciated Sralin, propaganda and blyaaaaa, you know.
Btw I don't belive that that drunk mankurt is really from Donetsk, he has no specific accent(but I can be wrong). Anyway that shows nothing, chat roulette isn't a place where you can meet sapient people very often. I can only say that I don't know a single person who hates Ukrainians irl(except for my grandpa, who is 100% ethnic Ukrainian KEEEEK).
I think you guys just need to make up your minds
People differ from region to region, that's pretty fine. Like eastern and western Poles, for example.
Yeah, but in our case they're made up. Again, that's a stereotype, no more, no less.
Every social phenomenon is made up in the sense that it is a consequence of someone people's actions.
I have seen this fat fuck and the pomor but the pomor and westoid are quite similar to me.
>>5028
>>5030
They're similar like how a German living on the border with Austria would relate more to Austrians than their countrymen as would a German relate to the Dutch living in the north. Or a "white" American with clear spic or native admixture in Texas feeling that way towards a Mexican in comparison to someone who lives in Montana. Russia is a big country with many Russians, where is the trouble in admitting some swathes are dull, cows and pigs, blah. I don't mind saying that about my "fellow" Americans because it's true.
Comparison with Germany is kinda close. Imagine if commies ruled in Germany and said that, for example, Bavarians, aren't Germans anymore and and then developed Bavarian culture separately from the German one for 100 years + cut off pieces of land from Bavaria with the Bavarian population and gave them pieces with, for example, Thuringians. Bavarians, as far I know, culturally closer to Austrians than to northern Germans but they still consider themselves German. Would they associate themselves with Germany if they were put in such conditions? That's how all this mess looks for Russians, at least.
>>5047
Bavarians likely wouldn't care culturally if they were a part of Germany or Austria, only who taxed them higher. That scenario could've happened with East Germany, some boomers there lament the amount of money spent on getting them up to snuff with the same infrastructure and say they should've stayed sovereign or be given to Poland.
Jumping some points, I don't believe that Ukrainians shared the exact same culture and spoke just a dialect of Russian that transmorphed into a different language over time by nefarious means or "outsiders" trying to break up the country. I don't know the history of the countries very well but as the way culture evolves:
>capitals change location
>some can't control outer regions due to whatever circumstances pertaining to war or logistics
>new values and tongues arise from it not to mention if there was a regional culture already or if a cultural clash (rape and pillage) occurred
>borders change as do the philosophy and epoch of era
>new culture loses degrees of relation to the main culture, they are now separate
I highly doubt that all these Cossack hosts got along and were related to each other by the virtue of being Cossacks and Orthodox or held any loyalty to whoever ruled the realm they lived in and each other. There's also the claim that Ukraine was fake because it was never a country to begin with like a culture is invalidated by lacking sovereignty, and after WW1 ended they tried to. Of course Ukrainians are not as dissimilar as they say nor are Russians as close as they say, they are brotherly peoples no matter what even if they hate each other.
Fair opinion and I'd even would share it if I didn't know them personally, but we'll come to this later. At first, Ukrainians aren't just cossacks. Some of them have cossack blood, mostly in southern part of a country, but most of Ukranians are descendants of peasants whose lands were a battlefield between Poland and Russia(and sometimes Ottomans) numerous times. They are like Russians(or east slavs, if this term is incorrect here), who was part of the one of two centers of power on the lands of former Rus'. That's why we started to differ from each other, Muscovites and Lithuanians spoke different dialects and lived in different countries. Also western part of Rus'(or it's nobles, at least) was exposed to polonisation, that's why they have a lot of polonisms and germanisms that they got through the Polish language. BUT THEN, Tsardom of Russia conquers a lot of lands from Poland and gets all this east-slavic speaking and loyal(cuz of Orthodoxy) population. After this only foreign influence they felt was from Crimean Tatars probably. Most of Ukranian lands was under Russian controll for hundreds of years and a lot of people considered themselves as Velikorosses(Russians from Russia), even though they spoke mostly Malorossian dialect(as it stated in population census). Cities like Kiev were a important centres of Russian nationalism and a lot of locals supported supported General Denikin when he took Kiev from bolsheviks and even Galician Army preffered him over Petlyura. Ukrainians and Russians weren't separated and didn't hate each other 100 years ago as they do now.
Now to Ukrainians that I personally know. Most of them from the east, like Kharkov, Kiev, Donetsk(evendoe these consider themselves as Russians) etc. Their native language is Russian. They are consuming Russian culture(even now). Some of them moved to Russia or EU, some of them stayed in Ukraine, they are mostly pro-Ukranian(except for Donetsk people), and they started to care about their nationality ONLY after we invaded them. That's why I think that most of them literally same people with us, being Ukrainian for them is just a political orientation. And I think that if they lived in Russia for 5-10 years they'd started to associate themselves with Russia. Until we aren't too late we should return what borsheviks stole from us and if we'll actually be late... so be it.
>inb4 ESL mongol
TL;DR Cossacks are not the ancestors of Ukrainians and this means that Kuban, like Crimea, does not belong to them
>>Not like they're right, that's a stereotype after all.
>I am commie and I hate racial and ethnic determinism
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>Even if we were race traitors and non-whites,
You are the natioj of race traitors and cucks, and you are simping for nons as fuck. That's what I wanted to say.
>you couldn't blame us for everything, that's ridiculous. Not Chlenin nor Sralin has made Da West fall.
They axtually did. Sovok was the first globhomo anti-white evil empire, and this shithole would have no chance of further existence if there were no russkies (in particular, the russkies of the central provinces, such as Moscow, Ryazan, Wladimir, etc.). The sovok just exported its ideas to the West and brainwashed with it a lot of westoids such as hippi, yippi, and other kinds of self-hating wigger retards.
>>Our dedy died so Russian nation could survive, but some of them really appreciated Sralin, propaganda and blyaaaaa, you know
>We wuz subhuman mongols and blyaaa so we wuz forced to kill millions of whites across that part of Europe we had occupied.
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>Btw I don't belive that that drunk mankurt is really from Donetsk, he has no specific accent(but I can be wrong).
Yes, he has one because he's asian ape (therefore not mankurt, his type of behaviour is very shared among homo asiaticus), and you worship such only because they speak ziggerish.
>Anyway that shows nothing, chat roulette isn't a place where you can meet sapient people very often.
Most of russians are vatnik/commie/triedinist so no it represents your subnation a lot.
>I can only say that I don't know a single person who hates Ukrainians irl
Look at the mirror, untermensch.
>>5047
Meds, zigger. The Bavarians and the Germans are the same as Galicians and Ukrainians. And Austrians towards the Germans are the same as Carpathians towards Ukrainians. Just stop shilling your vile mutt concept of the alleged east-slavic "trinity", it shows only an awful resentment you have in regards to other White nations.
>>5050
>Obviously because Kiev is a part of Kievan Rus', which is the most important event in the history of Russia
Oh, so, your national myth goes back to swedish Varangians who intermixed with Ukrainians ("Polyane")? Holy geg in this case.
>I am commie and I hate racial and ethnic determinism
Hallucinated it award, I never said so.
>You are the natioj of race traitors and cucks, and you are simping for nons as fuck
Hallucinated it award, majority of Russians were racemixers 300 years ago when they raped tatars and stuff. Also we aren't cucks because when do you see an act of cuckoldism from us? If you say that Chechens are banging Natashkas I won't even respond on this cuz that's nonsense, this shit may be used only ironically. And who excactly do you mean by nons?
>Sovok was the first globhomo
Homosexualism was punished by prison.
>anti-white
Internationalist state, they opressed everyone equally(almost). At least during Sralin's rule.
>and this shithole would have no chance of further existence if there were no russkies
(((Revolution))) was saved by your fellow Latvians and other national minorities.
>The sovok just exported its ideas to the West and brainwashed with it a lot of westoids such as hippi, yippi, and other kinds of self-hating wigger retards.
If it is really was made by Soviets I'm proud of them, lol. That's just the natural development of Western liberalism actually.
>We wuz subhuman mongols and blyaaa so we wuz forced to kill millions of whites across that part of Europe we had occupied.
Hallucianated it award. Look at this Czechs and their hateful eyes. That's how genocide looks.
>and you worship such only because they speak ziggerish.
Hallucinated it award x3. Russians are way more racist than common EU citizens, churki are always crying about russky farshism here.
>Most of russians are vatnik/commie/triedinist so no it represents your subnation a lot.
You wrong only about commies, there are not many real commies in Russia, you confusing them with soviet patriots, who are literally just nostalgic vatniks. They don't give a fuck about commie ideas, just want their best icecream in the universe back(which is stupid, I agree). And how does one finno-turko-mongolian degenerate represents my nation? Go check famous Ukranian half sand nigger Evgeniy Volnov or whatever his name is. Will it be correct of me to say that every Ukrainian acts like this ape?
>Look at the mirror, untermensch.
I give up, there is nothing to be done. At first, you are the same untermensch as I am. Secondly, you're even worse than a commie evendoe you probably aren't stupid. Instead of all this shit I should've just write "u r joo". At least I'll finish this post.
>The Bavarians and the Germans are the same as Galicians and Ukrainians.
Galicians and Ukrainians are more like Germany and Netherlands(I deeply apologize to Nederlanders). They actually speak Ukrainian as a native language unlike shidnyaks(and always shocked when they come to Kiev and see that everyone there speaks fucking Russian, that's hilarious). And they absolutely don't support continuation of war as shidnyaks do. Most of Galicians or other zapadentsy just wants a calm life in EU and they don't really care that much about Donbass and Novorossiya. They have absolutely different mentality if we compare them with eastern Ukrainians, who are basically Russians.
>Just stop shilling your vile mutt concept of the alleged east-slavic "trinity"
You're right. That concept is kinda got old, there is no more east-slavic trinity. There are Russians and other little east-slavic groups like Ruthenians in Carpaths or actual Ukranians in Lemberg and Stanislawow. You are Russian too, by the way. You can say that it isn't so as much as you want. You also can say that you are a woman or a deer or a genderfluid helisexual or whatever you want to be, but you can't trick your genes anyway.
>it shows only an awful resentment you have in regards to other White nations.
YEEEEEA, we are so envy to Ukrainians. They are so rich that Russians are traveling to Ukraine to earn money.
>Oh, so, your national myth goes back to swedish Varangians who intermixed with Ukrainians ("Polyane")? Holy geg in this case.
Yeah, in official history that is the start of Russian(and east-slavic) statehood. And if Ukrainians are Polyane then we are Ilmen Slovene? And you are Krivichs? That's ridiculous, then Italians are Romans and Arabs are Babylonians ili chtoto.
>Hallucinated it award, I never said so.
It was implied by you.
>Hallucinated it award, majority of Russians were racemixers 300 years ago
Even worse.
>when they raped tatars and stuff.
Tatars actually raped your nation, because they mainly intermixed with your nobility.
>Also we aren't cucks because when do you see an act of cuckoldism from us?
Let's see:
>Anti-White tendency evendoe being White
>Anti-Western tendency evendoe being originally part of the West
>Anti-Nazi evendoe they were the only salvation from Sowjet Union
>Pro-Z evendoe Evraziyski Pakhanat (or just "RF") will always be a reincarnation of the USSR which is destroying Russian nation at the speed of light
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>>If you say that Chechens are banging Natashkas
>Oh yeah I'm ziggercuck I love watching porn and discuss it oy blyaaaa
Btw, Nikita Zhuravel is also Natashka?) Namely he was the most famous banged by Chechenis.
>And who excactly do you mean by nons?
Not like this, russenmensch! Don't be ESL, really. It means "Non-whites".
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>Homosexualism was punished by prison
ESL & obsessed with faggots award. Globhomo means "global humanity", i.e. international melting pot. Also, Lenin was a faggot, and Stalin was a pedo. All those juridical articles against pedophiles and homosexuals weren't actually against them. Soviet justice worked according to a state plan, no one cared whether anyone was guilty or not, they simply fulfilled the quota of killing/jailing X amount of people. The punishment for being homosexual or pedo was also applied to anyone but no to actual pedos and gays (see: Dyedovshchina).
>Internationalist state, they opressed everyone equally(almost).
It's how to say "anti-white" without saying "anti-white". This way you could name China "anti-chinese" because Chinese live badly under its rule, but it's not surprisingly because it's coloreds' natural condition. We don't have to go far for other examples either: South Africa. Kaffers lived better under apartheid, does it mean boers' Zuid Afrika was good for them and the modern South Africa is bad for them? No, because chaos, violence and sinfulness are their natural traits defined by blood. Additionally, whose intelligence was responsible for the fall of the White South Africa? Wasn't it soviet intelligence (together with the Israeli and Chinese ones by the way), huh?
>(((Revolution))) was saved by your fellow Latvians and other national minorities.
Such as Jews, Mongols, Tuvinians, etc. And the only russkies who didn't support bolsheviks were landowners, i.e. they lived in outskirts of Russian Empire (Siberia, Bjarmland, etc.), but the heart of the russian nation (russians of the central provinces) was in absolutely slave conditions like "мирская община" or "крепостничество". Namely they were that bolsheviks' "ядерный электорат" during the elections in "Учредительное собрание" and onwards.
>If it is really was made by Soviets I'm proud of them, lol.
This person said me before that he wasn't anti-white lol. Holy bipolarity.
>That's just the natural development of Western liberalism actually.
Nah, all those "left-liberals" were actually pro-commie (see: John Lennon, hippie, yippie, "anti-war" pro-Vietnam protesters and others). Without the USSR they would most likely be lynched by KKK or something. And why it didn't happen? It didn't because Jewry and the Soviets turned public opinion against White World-Supremacy by linking it to "damn nazis" and exporting degenerate marxist ideas whoch promoted "global peace throughout the world without nations and borders". It doesn't match the views of Founding-Fathers or John Locke or any other "liberal philosopher" at that "good old time".
>Hallucianated it award. Look at this Czechs and their hateful eyes. That's how genocide looks.
Check out what did Bohmen&Moraven represent. It will probably shock you, but the Czechs were completely safe throughout the war thanks to the German occupation.
The only racist thing you do it's saying "churka", not moreover. You're cucked by brown caucasians, central-asians, indians and negroes but you still call them "негр/чурка/хач/черножопый". Youse don't even respect yourselves, so even if youse love them, youse won't stop calling them like that since you think they are equal to youse and therefore could be humiliated like youse (tautology award doe). It shows that it doesn't matter what do you all call them but actual relationships between youse and them. And, don't fool us, we see what these relationships are like: total miscegenation and nation-traitorous mankurtism (in fact almost all ethnically russian pupils love to dance lyezginka). Not to mention they kill you and get no punishment thanks to the patronage of their diasporas (could russkies even get their own strong diaspora anywhere lol? Obviously they could not).
>You wrong only about commies, there are not many real commies in Russia, you confusing them with soviet patriots, who are literally just nostalgic vatniks.
Soviet patriots?) What a geg. I don't care what will you name them but they are still sovok-loving commies.
>They don't give a fuck about commie ideas, just want their best icecream in the universe back(which is stupid, I agree).
They give actually. The main commie ideal is the destruction of the Western Civilization and the White race, these was the Marx's original motives. And they share these. And do you? Huh.
>And how does one finno-turko-mongolian degenerate represents my nation?
It shows russkies can befriend with anyone who isn't white but speak ziggerish to stand in opposition to other Whites. They mocked ukrainian for being nationally-conscious and then the mongol said "it's our land". Youse will accept any sort of colored trash who will support your anti-western resentment.
>Yuri Volnov or whoever
Literally who nobody cares about.
>At first, you are the same untermensch as I am.
Untermensch is the name for leftoids given by WASPs (Stoddard's "Underman") and then Nazis. It's not a racial or ethnical term. Anyway, it doesn't have any relation to our topic, I just said you hate ukros but added that slure you have butthurted at.
>Galicians and Ukrainians are more like Germany and Netherlands(I deeply apologize to Nederlanders).
Woah, Nederlanders were made up by Austriaks too?)))
>They actually speak Ukrainian as a native language unlike schidniaks
Oh yeah, thanks to the Soviets for it.
>Most of Galicians or other zapadentsy just wants a calm life in EU and they don't really care that much about Donbass and Novorossiya.
Why does it matter, russak? Do you even remember what we were talking about yesterday?
>You're right. That concept is kinda got old, there is no more east-slavic trinity
That trinity has never existed, sproke, roosqee.
> There are Russians and other little east-slavic groups like Ruthenians in Carpaths or actual Ukranians in Lemberg and Stanislawow. You are Russian too, by the way
Hey zigger, your fantasizing over ethnical borders are too bothered and boring, did you notice? They have no fundament besides your own imho.
>but you can't trick your genes anyway.
Genetically all my belarusian ancestors were nationally-conscious and they didn't think they are the same as russoids. But yeah, I also have some russian ancestors, so I can be accepted as roosqee by one-drop rule.
>YEEEEEA, we are so envy to Ukrainians. They are so rich that Russians are traveling to Ukraine to earn money.
It's historical envy, not modern. It continues since 19 century or even earlier, when muscovite peasants envied the Ukrainians' white mazankas (it's a fact, it's written, just lurk moar about ethnic interaction in former Slobozhanshchina). Whateverz your ancestors would be jealous towards hohols at least because the last had their own land-holdings and you had not. The have-nots will always envy the haves. But yeah, now youse envy the Ukrainians not due to financial state. You envy them because they could overthrow their neobolshevik government and build a foundation for safe functioning of right-wings. The only reason why Ukrainians haven't chosen nationalists like VO "Svoboda"/Azov movement yet and remain at the Weimar Republic stage is because they are largely russified (almost a synonym for the "bolshevized"). Imagine what would happen if only old ukrainian diaspora voted.
>Yeah, in official history that is the start of Russian(and east-slavic) statehood
I know you fap to your commie history books, and I somewhat appreciate you for not hiding it.
>And if Ukrainians are Polyane then we are Ilmen Slovene?
Youse almost are. Ilmenians were Novogorodians' ancestors, and this russian sub-ethnic group doesn't exist anymore since 15-16 centuries and your statehood and identity anyway comes from Muscovy, so I have to say it's true only by part.
>That's ridiculous
Nope, it isn't. I didn't say Ukrainians are descendants of Polyane only. I said that Polyane were Ukrainians's ancestors. These are the different statements, you see.
I do read everything that's posted here, just don't interact because reality trumps all historical considerations.
This more better to read that the rest of mainstream media slop
>>5068
>It was implied by you.
No, it wasn't. Tbh, I wanted to add something about genetical determinism but I thought it'll be too obvious or smth.
>Tatars actually raped your nation, because they mainly intermixed with your nobility.
Yeah, if Tatar nobility and Russian nobility are mixing with each other only Russian nobility gets raped evendoe all Tatar nobility got assimilated. But anyway, I was talking not about nobles in the first place. Simply Russian expeditions to the east. There were no Russian women on the shores of Pacific ocean so they captured and bought women from local tribes, sometimes even with converting them into christianity. Not all of them were Tatar, but Tatars were raped too.
>Anti-White tendency evendoe being White
Russians DO NOT hate white people. They usually don't like western governments, yeah, cuz ethnicity is more important than race for us, but I never heard unironic pure hate towards whole white ethnicities(except for Ukrainian, but they are Russians, so it is just a selfhating or something).
>Anti-Western tendency evendoe being originally part of the West
That's sad but we weren't the ones who started it. We tried to reintegrate into the west but Murica treated us like shit and didn't recognized us as a some sort of local center of power so here we are, leading the anti-western mutt coalition. Honestly, I hope that we're just using them to reach our goals in eastern Europe and Africa.
>Anti-Nazi evendoe they were the only salvation from Sowjet Union
Hallucinated it award. I know that you don't believe that nazis didn't consider us as whites but they really didn't. Otherwise they would've win.
>Evraziyski Pakhanat
KEK, I'll remember this one. And yes, we are descendants of USSR as well as we are descendants of Russian Empire. History is history, we can't just travel back in the time and stop Chlenin. Will this state destroy Russian nation? In fact, it just trying to build it with converting all sorts of local mutts into Russians. I don't like it, but no one here makes you to become a noviop, especially now, when people get more and more rightist.
>Oh yeah I'm ziggercuck I love watching porn and discuss it oy blyaaaa
Projection or something, that's just the common thing for Russia-haters to say that about Natashkas and stuff so I tried to predict you.
>Btw, Nikita Zhuravel is also Natashka?
Nikita Zhuravel burned this funny lolicon book because his UkroMASTERS told him to do so. That's why state didn't protected him from chichas, that's illegal and gross, but that's a precedent. If you are supporting Ukraine by actions in Russia no one will help you. Btw, he was sentenced to three and a half years in a penal colony. That's very light punishment for Russia, if he did this shit 5 years ago he wouldn't be beaten but he would get way harsher sentence.
>ESL & obsessed with faggots award
I'm ESL-nigger and I'm not ashamed of it(in fact, I am). About faggotry, you're more obsessed with this than me if we remember your reaction on pic when Le Bat'ka shuts your mouth.
>Globhomo means "global humanity", i.e. international melting pot.
Dank je.
>Chlenin was a faggot
Trve
>Stalin was a pedo
Don't know but I can believe in that.
>All those juridical articles against pedophiles and homosexuals weren't actually against them.
They were, of course you might be falsely accused of a homosexualism, but this article(am i using this right? article?) wasn't used very often and was barely used at all. If they wanted to punish someone they didn't bothered themselves with justification and just sent people to gulag "cuz they r polish spies lol".
>Soviet justice worked according to a state plan, no one cared whether anyone was guilty or not, they simply fulfilled the quota of killing/jailing X amount of people.
Mostly during Sralin's rule, but still had place later, yeah.
>see: Dyedovshchina
Dyedovschina wasn't about homosexualism and it was more rare than other forms of dyedovschina.
>This way you could name China "anti-chinese" because Chinese live badly under its rule
Not really. They are just authoritarian and leftist or something. As well as USSR was just totalitarian and then authoritarian. If USSR was anti-white they'd have a goal to mutt every white and stuff to make white race disappear but it wasn't what they did. At first they tried to russify mutts(what was kinda successful) and after this they tried to make everyone noviopic(not as successful as russification). If they are anti-white then they are anti-asian and anti-racial\ethnical in general.
>but it's not surprisingly because it's coloreds' natural condition
Taiwanese life conditions are better than Chinese evendoe they are same chings. Genetics is very important but you can't build a state with your genes only.
>Wasn't it soviet intelligence (together with the Israeli and Chinese ones by the way), huh?
I just don't know much about history of South Africa so I can't tell you. Anyway that was a rhetorical question.
>And the only russkies who didn't support bolsheviks were landowners
Yes, aka peasants.
>they lived in outskirts of Russian Empire (Siberia, Bjarmland, etc.)
They lived almost everywhere.
>but the heart of the russian nation (russians of the central provinces) was in absolutely slave conditions like "мирская община" or "крепостничество".
Serfdom was cancelled in 1861. Btw in some periods Russian serfs lived better and were richer than European(english, for example) (((free))) peasants. What about obschinas... They weren't very good, let's say, but fortunately over time, more and more land was transferred to the private use of peasants.
>Namely they were that bolsheviks' "ядерный электорат" during the elections in "Учредительное собрание" and onwards.
Main electorate of borsheviks were people whose life depended on private property? Brainwashed by commies award. Their supporters were radical leftists(some citizens of Petrograd and Moscow), ineffective peasants that lost their land(minority) and some factory workers. That's why they lost these elections. And that's why the civil war started in the first place.
>Check out what did Bohmen&Moraven represent. It will probably shock you, but the Czechs were completely safe throughout the war thanks to the German occupation.
That's why they welcomed Russians as liberators? Anyway, that's not relevant to the topic. You said that Russians killed millions of whites during WW2. They didn't. Only if you don't mean German soldiers, but this is impossible, right?
>The only racist thing you do it's saying "churka"
Pogroms, housing "for slavs only", periodic group fights with immigrants, organizations that help common folk to deal with Abu-bandits etc.
>You're cucked by brown caucasians, central-asians, indians and negroes but you still call them "негр/чурка/хач/черножопый".
They say the same thing about us lol. Like, "Uaay biliyaaaaaaa this Uruses are destroing aur traditions and stealing aur womanssssss and dve v syrnom, how long will wi tolerate em".
>Youse don't even respect yourselves, so even if youse love them, youse won't stop calling them like that since you think they are equal to youse and therefore could be humiliated like youse
Wat de foek. Some strange parallels that I can't explain. Are you trying to say that if we hate them and calling them негр\чурка\хач\черножопый so we actually love them and don't want to humiliate them actually?
>It shows that it doesn't matter what do you all call them but actual relationships between youse and them.
That's the part of our actual relations.
>total total miscegenation and nation-traitorous mankurtism (in fact almost all ethnically russian pupils love to dance lyezginka).
When did you see an ethnically Russian pupil last time? Even if they like to dance lyezginka(they don't lol, it was (((funny))) 10 years ago or something), 99% of them don't know who the fuck are lezgins and 80% of them don't know that it is a caucasian dance. Nowwwww, about these "miscegenation and nation-traitorous mankurtism" of yours. At first, in every society there will be international degenerates who will sleep with apes, your pics of russian women with niggers\turks aren't a real argument. Secondly, that's a commie narrative, commies say that Russians are mutted, there are no such a thing as pure Russian etc. Da Science says, that we saved our genes pretty well and modern Russians are still just slavs with some finnic and a bit baltic genes. Please, don't tell me that I'm lying and all Russians are finno-turkic black mongols.
>Not to mention they kill you and get no punishment thanks to the patronage of their diasporas
They try to get no punishment*. But yeah, this is a problem and they're getting punished only because of Russian society, who don't just tolerate such a behavior and do everything to make this problem louder. Diasporas are really problematic and we're trying to make our noviopic government to understand this(sometimes successfully).
>could russkies even get their own strong diaspora anywhere lol? Obviously they could not).
Cuz we aren't fucking apes and if we move to somewhere we usually trying to follow local laws?
>The main commie ideal is the destruction of the Western Civilization and the White race
Hallucinated it again. That's more Jewish thing than commie. Commies just want equality, take everything away and divide it up cuz...... Cuz it's fair, ok? Communism is a product of western civilization and only western leftists hate all white people. Think about it, Chinese fags, for example, divide "OPRESSED PROLETARIANS" of the west from western (((governments))).
>these was the Marx's original motives. And they share these. And do you?
He never said that, evendoe he was a jooish degenerate, he loved some white nations very much, like Germans and Poles, for example. And he used to say that Ryuzgees will never reach communism cuz of their asiatic nature. Reminds me of someone btw. And no, I don't want European civilization to die, my fellow zaryan. But it doesn't mean that I won't wish evil to enemies of Russia(especially ones, who sent Chlenin to our country and sponsored him).
>It shows russkies can befriend with anyone who isn't white but speak ziggerish to stand in opposition to other Whites
It's more simple. Russkies can befriend with anyone(who not doing bad illegal things). We are racists but if you have gained our trust we can close our eyes on your blackness\yellowness.
>They mocked ukrainian for being nationally-conscious
Ukrainians aren't nationally-conscious, they're just anti-Russian and anti-commie. Ukrainian women wish to ride Turkish cocks as well as Russian women do.
>and then the mongol said "it's our land"
Hilarious, but means nothing.
>Youse will accept any sort of colored trash who will support your anti-western resentment.
Nyo, only if this colored trash is worth acceptation. We like when non-whites dying for our interests, but that doesn't mean that we well welcome them here. Only if they will behave properly, maybe.
>Literally who nobody cares about.
He has some popularity anyway and he's Ukrainian. Your example is 100 times more meaningless tho.
>Untermensch isn't a racial or ethnical term
Really?
Untermensch (German pronunciation: [ˈʔʊntɐˌmɛnʃ] ⓘ; plural: Untermenschen) is a German language word literally meaning 'underman', 'sub-man', or 'subhuman', which was extensively used by Germany's Nazi Party to refer to non-Aryan people they deemed as inferior.
But whatever, that's not relates to the topic, as you said. I really have to explain that I don't hate Ukrainians? Evendoe I've said that they're basically Russians? Russian is an offensive word for nafoids, not for me at least.
>Woah, Nederlanders were made up by Austriaks too?)))
Austriaks were made up by Nederlanders. And I never said that Ukrainians were made by Austrians, Austrians just supported their differences so they could fight agains Russians better during WW1. They had some huge problems with making slavs fighting for them, you know. And by this take I meant that they are close, but still are different peoples. Like Ukrainians and Belorussians in your opinion, probably.
>Oh yeah, thanks to the Soviets for it.
(((Thanks))) Soviets for the fact that they are a nation right now in the first place.
>Why does it matter, russak? Do you even remember what we were talking about yesterday?
It matters cuz it shows difference in Schidnyak's and Zapadenets's mentalities.
>That trinity has never existed, sproke, roosqee.
Maybe you're right. You guys always were Russians but with different political orientation(except for real different east-slavic peoples)
>Hey zigger, your fantasizing over ethnical borders are too bothered and boring, did you notice? They have no fundament besides your own imho.
Do you not believe in the existence of Ruthenians aka Rusyns? Brainwashed by Hohols award if so. If you're talking about my take that you all are Russians... It's not worse than your beliefs in that you are 100% not Russian even if we have same culture, similar languages, same History, same mentality, same country very soon.
>Slobozhanshchina
Territory that was free from taxes cuz Tsardom wanted people to live there so they could protect state from tatar raids better. Mostly populated with refugees from Poland that felt themselves more Russian than Polish.
>envied the mazankas
I lurked a bit and found nothing(in English and in Russian). But I can believe in that, mazankas are really better in summer when it's hot. But I doubt that it was SOOOOO important, especially for Russians not from these lands, who probably didn't even knew what mazanka is. Just a local thing for local conditions.
>Whateverz your ancestors would be jealous towards hohols at least because the last had their own land-holdings and you had not.
Cuz on conquered territories there were no so much of Russian nobles who owned all the land. And again, I don't think that Russian peasants cared very much about how much freedom did people have in Malorossiya.
>You envy them because they could overthrow their neobolshevik government and build a foundation for safe functioning of right-wings.
>everyone I don’t like are neobolsheviks
Soooooo, ryuzge vatniks are envy them cuz they overthrpved their legitimate president and became nahtzee? Or you're talking about me personally? Btw all these (((nationalists))) are ruled by jews, they elected only jews after the degenerate Yanukovich. And what do this based right-wing chads have now?
"After the end of hostilities, Ukraine may begin to be populated by Africans in order to prevent a demographic catastrophe," says Vladimir Paniotto, a Ukrainian sociologist.
Seems like they don't mind to begin a "total miscegenation and nation-traitorous mankurtism" if it'll help their economy(oligarchs).
>I know you fap to your commie history books, and I somewhat appreciate you for not hiding it.
>Everything I don't agree with is commie
>>5076
No, really, what do you suggest to learn if not an official history(which is approved by your beloved amerimutts too btw)?
>Youse almost are. Ilmenians were Novogorodians' ancestors, and this russian sub-ethnic group doesn't exist anymore since 15-16 centuries and your statehood and identity anyway comes from Muscovy, so I have to say it's true only by part.
Oy wey, that's what I wanted to see so badly. First of all modern Kievans aren't Polyane. And you aren't a Krivich. Population in these territories switched so many times even in middle ages(when mongols totally destroyed Kiev and slaughtered almost every its citizen for example). Slavic tribes migrated here and that's how Russian ethnicity was born. Eastern slavs stopped thinking of themselves only in context of their tribe and started to consider themselves as Russians(Russkye lyudi). Then, the same people started settling on the east(confirmed by archaeology) and found their cities(like Vladimir, Yaroslavl etc). Then, Rus' falls apart and we have few centers of power of former Rus', with Vladimir being one of strongest. THEN, mongols came and obliterated south of former Rus', did some severe damage to Vladimir and barely touched the north. Are you following? Great. Then Moscow becomes a separate city with Prince Daniil from Ryurikovich dynasty being the first ruler of it. And now tell me, which point may be considered as a start of Russian statehood? The first Russian state or the first time when Moscow(quiet province) became semi-independent?
>Nope, it isn't. I didn't say Ukrainians are descendants of Polyane only. I said that Polyane were Ukrainians's ancestors. These are the different statements, you see.
>Oh, so, your national myth goes back to swedish Varangians who intermixed with Ukrainians ("Polyane")?
>Ukrainians ("Polyane")
Really, why would I think so? But whatever. If so, polyane are Russian ancestors too as well.
>Nobody will read it besides us, russak, so we could discuss it in ziggerish or something.
I'd love that very much tbh, but it seems like someone actually reads this shit so you decide. If you respond on this in Russian I'll respond in Russian too, I guess.
Also, sorry for being an uneducated ESL nigger, but I WON'T CORRECT ALL THESE LETTERSLETTERSLETTERS. Be understanding, if you could.
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