No.92030
>>92004>>92005>>92021>>92022i would like to further add that we did not DISCOVER what qualifies as life, we DECIDED what qualifies as life, which is why we don't consider viruses life. consider this, if biologists simply created a new word to refer to biological life then this debate about the ethics of aborting non-sentient matter wouldn't exist because, once again, all ethical arguments against early abortions boil down to semantics.
No.92039
i can pretty much summarize all of this by saying "something's status as life is not what determines if it warrants ethical consideration. possession of sentience is what determines if something warrants ethical consideration."
No.92050
in my opinion, abortion should only ever be used as a form of euthanasia.
if you know for a fact your baby is going to live a fucking horrible life because of an incurable disease or deformation, i think it's justified to end their suffering right then and there.
No.92051
>>92050this is true, but notice how people supporting euthanasia don't pretend some suffering people are not alive or not people, trying to justify abortion by redefining crucial terms belongs to not even wrong category, it's a failure to understand the is-ought distinction
No.92053
>>92051Us women like to kill our babies lol
No.92057
>>92056
this is really stupid.
a tree can literally never become sentient, in comparison the zygote can.
what are you talking about?
No.92058
>>92056
>all ethical arguments against early abortions boil down to semantics
semantics is about meaning of words
>ethics are based on phenomenon in the natural world and the natural world is not affected by our subjective classifications describing it.
and this is naturalistic fallacy
No.92063
>>92053women who kill their babies for no actual reason just hurt their reproductive success which they personally may be fine with, but will eventually remove such preferences out of the gene pool
No.92069
>>92063it's a taught thing.
women are encouraged to be entitled and immature nowadays.
No.92073
>>92057preventing the existence of sentience is not killing. saying aborting a zygote is murder because it prevents sentience from eventually existing is like saying wearing a condom is murder because it prevents sentience from eventually existing.
>>92058>semantics is about meaning of wordsyes, i know.
>and this is naturalistic fallacyhow so? i'm saying that ethics should transcend language. people against early abortions use the argument "life begins at conception" despite life being nothing more than a subjective classification. it'd be like saying sponges deserve ethical consideration because they're animals. you wouldn't brutalize a hagfish, so you wouldn't brutalize a sponge either, right?
No.92075
why do you niggers want disgenic subhumans to reproduce so much? if you want to keep the fertility rate up it should be through polygyny by a select few.
No.92076
>>92073meds, i didn't say it was murder.
i was just saying a zygote is not the same as a tree.
No.99043
>>91999>when people say "life begins at conception" they're exploiting the connotation of the word "life" to make it seem like biologists are saying "a fertilized egg is a person deserving of rights"this conflation of layman definitions with rigorous, scientific definitions is one of the most common symptoms of science illiteracy.
"that's just a theory, not hard science!"
"dark energy? dark matter? that sounds like some mystical stuff!"
"the big bang must've literally been an explosion because it has "bang" in its name!"
"the Cambrian explosion must've happened so fast, just like how an explosion happens fast!"
"biologists say life begins at conception, that means a person is created a conception!"
this is responsible for basically the entire abortion debate. the same way people believe dark matter is a mystical phenomenon because they associate the word "black" with black magic witchcraft, anti-choice people believe that a life-form is automatically a person because they associate the word "life" with sentient beings.
if black matter was referred to as "non-baryonic matter", no one would think it is mystical, and if biologists said "biota begins at conception" instead of "life beings at conception ", no one would be fighting for the rights of zygotes.
No.99044
>>99042
This is the Dutch Tranime with Soyjaks website sir
No.99045
>>99043*they associate the word "dark" with black magic witchcraft
No.99046
i called it black matter instead of dark matter, sorry
No.99066
>>99043>big science words make big impact on me therefore they do on everyone elsethank you for this unique (not really) insight into a redditor's mind
No.99095
>>99066>big science wordswhat does that have to do with anything? people aren't confused because the words are too big, they're confused because they're conflating the common definitions with the scientific ones.
No.99171
Maya seems like the kind of foid to have sex with her dog
No.99172
>>91999I think abortion is bad because women want it
No.99173
>>82990Women shouldn't have rights because they're a clump of cells
No.99174
>>82521I think child sacrifice to moloch had way more sovl
No.99175
>>82109The foid that types this definitely got penetrated by her dog at least once
No.99176
>>99171ev&oe that would be coco
No.99178
>>99176Mayafail projection
No.99179
>>82990We're all a clump of cells on a spinning ball floating through space so nothing hecking matters but don't you ever say the n word!
No.99180
>>82521I heard that child sacrifice was common in ancient times because it gave people magic powers o algo
No.99181
>>99180now it gives women a magic power to evade responsibility
No.99186
>>99173I believe this unironically
No.99209
>>99198Nigga go back to yt shorts
No.99210
Mr dweller infiltrated this website it seems
No.99218
Mr Dweller VVON
No.105586
>>99043it's interesting how you never see anti-abortion activists attempt to define the word "life", despite "life begins at conception" being their central argument.
No.105587
>>105586Life is defined biologically as something which meets these criteria:
> cellular order>sensitivity or response to the environment>reproduction>growth and development>regulation>homeostasis>energy processingAll of these are met by a fetus
>in b4 no reproductionThe cells of fetae reproduce, so they do meet this classification. Fetae are factually alive, but that’s a separate question from whether they have personhood, and thus rights.
No.105596
>>105587exactly, and if you asked them why we should have ethical consideration for matter which meets this criteria, they're probably respond with a circular explanation like "because it's life". anti-abortion commentators purposely exploit the connotation of the word "life" to their predominantly religious viewers to make it sound like scientists are saying souls are created at conception.
imagine if vegan activists began arguing that we shouldn't hurt sea sponges because "science confirms they're animals". that may seem like a reasonable argument for someone who doesn't know what animals are because they likely think the word "animal " is a synonym for sentient creatures, the same way the religious right thinks of souls when they hear the word "life".
No.105599
>>105596Scientists don’t say anything about souls because even by religious understanding they’re immaterial and so outside of the scope of science. But if you bring stuff like souls into the debate you’re entering the realm of religious morality. That’s considered objective by believers, and best challenged with scripture rather than vague semantics.
If you (fourth person, not YOU you) start from a point of view”I don’t care about religion so no one else should” you’ll just talk past people with different axioms.
No.105600
>>105596I swear there has to be a secret foid on the Zarty echoing radfem talking points in words words words paragraphs for the past few months
PLEASE TELL US YOU'RE THE FEMALE ZARYAN!!! No.105602
>>105601I have gathered top WEF funded soyentists and they have caculated in a snopes approved peer reviewed study that there will be exactly one female Zaryan within the Zarty's entire history, and my Foid Detector TM has captured a foid signature lurking on this very thread… it has to be the one. Do you know what kind of discovery that would make? I would be the most revered man in soyentific history right along with Dr Soyberg and Fauci ximself…