/brabant/ - International Politics

Clearly hasn’t done anything to Russia because they’re a equally sustainable power house to that of the US except from what I’ve seen for the most part is their citizens actually respect their Gov and want to better the country and are basically living like how Americans did in the 80s. So all I can say is props and hopefully one day the US will ditch NATO and join Russia, China and Korea to make a new world O algo.

>>5925
I keep hearing shit like
>Russia's collapse just a week away!
>the ruble has fallen!
>Ukraine will retake everything and has pushed back Russia!
Then I check the official war map and either nothing changed or Russia has taken more land. The one thing I know is that I have been consistently paying double the price for 10 liters of gas for the past 3 years

>>5928
>Clearly hasn’t done anything to Russia
Actually it did something, everything now is a bit more expensive and ruble goes down faster.
>they’re a equally sustainable power house to that of the US
Not really, Murica is still a bit stronger I think but we definitely are an important international player, maybe even second only to US.
>their citizens actually respect their Gov
Not really, but we have a choise between Putin who is corrupted and old but kinda trying to improve things and neobolsheviks who want Russia to become the experimental field for leftists for the second time.
>They are basically living like how Americans did in the 80s.
Uhm… I don't get why do you think so.
>So all I can say is props and hopefully one day the US will ditch NATO and join Russia, China and Korea to make a new world O algo.
Kinda impossible but I'd like US to recognize Russia as a local powerhouse at least and stop fucking with post-soviet space, then we could be friends against China o algo.
>>5930
>I have been consistently paying double the price for 10 liters of gas for the past 3 years
Oh, so it wasn't propaganda actually. I thought nothing changed for EU except for Ukrainian refugees.

>>5928
Russia got utterly raped by liberalism, unrestrained capitalism, and the (((oligarchs))). The country has been slowly dying since then and Siberia will become Chinese clay in the next two decades because what the fuck is Russia going to do about it, everyone is killing themselves or immigrating and they never cared for the region. Outside of major cities (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Ufa, etc.) the country is just a corpse left out to rot in the wind, the only thing that comes close to death of industry and social harmony seen there is the Rust Belt. On top of their policy to Russify minorities and that their glue-and-toothpick infrastructure isn't painted nicely they're pretty much China lite or the new sick man of Europe.

>>5942
It's not that bad, Russia still has nuclear weapons, but I can imagine a scenario when a corrupt government that comes after Putin outright sells parts of Siberia to China or Chinese immigrants settle it and it becomes de facto a part of Chinese jurisdiction despite being Russian on maps. The best that could happen is if Russians somehow ousted the Cold War glownigger gerontocracy that governs the country, stopped the buffer zone building and proxy wars with NATO in Eastern Europe (as if EU was capable or interested in invading Russia, lol) and actually started preparing to cut all economic ties with China or at least secured alternative supply sources, because otherwise, if the current trend of getting dependent on imports from China continues, they will get sanctioned by the Chinese and their economy will then crumble.

>>5942
>Russia got utterly raped by liberalism, unrestrained capitalism, and the (((oligarchs))).
True.
>The country has been slowly dying since then
No, it actually reviving. I can remember how we were poorer than latinx countries 10 years ago and now we are almost Europe, in some things we're even better(like digitalization and banking for example).
>and Siberia will become Chinese clay in the next two decades because what the fuck is Russia going to do about it
As my fellow Siberian says "the further you are from far east the more Chinese you see here".
>everyone is killing themselves or immigrating
Trve for every region, everyone want to live in Moscow\St.Petersburg cuz of the biggest salaries in the country and the best education.
>they never cared for the region
Depends on region, we have Chelyabinsk which is almost the worst place in the world and we have Krasnoyarsk which is pretty nice.
>Outside of major cities the country is just a corpse left out to rot in the wind
Nope, I personally live in a small city that is extincting and somehow gets better with each year. We get better infrastructure and higher wages, life is getting better.
>death of industry
We produce more weapon than the whole NATO.
>social harmony
Our society now is united as it never was.
>On top of their policy to Russify minorities
I wish we actually tried to Russify at least the most intolerable of them.
>their glue-and-toothpick infrastructure isn't painted nicely
>blocks sucks cuz they aren't pretty
>they're pretty much China
The only common thing between Russia and China is hostility towards US.
>or the new sick man of Europe
Seems like everyone but Germany and Eastern Europe are becoming sick men of Europe. Too much of doom, chuddy, everything will be fine.


>>5943
>It's not that bad, Russia still has nuclear weapons, but I can imagine a scenario when a corrupt government that comes after Putin outright sells parts of Siberia to China or Chinese immigrants settle it and it becomes de facto a part of Chinese jurisdiction despite being Russian on maps.
This copium is so hard I can't even describe it.
>The best that could happen is if Russians somehow ousted the Cold War glownigger gerontocracy that governs the country,
We don't need to overthrow it, it slowly dies by itself. I want to remind that we're not commies anymore, good morning.
>stopped the buffer zone building and proxy wars with NATO in Eastern Europe (as if EU was capable or interested in invading Russia, lol)
>Please, be a good goyim and ignore our extansion towards your borders, we just want to fight China and Iran. We never lied to you, did we?
>and actually started preparing to cut all economic ties with China
We could if we weren't sanctioned by the West.
>they will get sanctioned by the Chinese and their economy will then crumble.
Or we won't. I think rich Russia that buys Chinese goods is better for China than instable poor piece of land with nukes. Espicially if we remember that Russia won't collapse without trade, we still can have an autarchy, we have enough of resourses. Life will suck but we won't just disappear from the map as you fellas hope us to.

>>5944
>This copium is so hard I can't even describe it.
Usually I say "Let's wait and see" and I'm right in the end, but I'm not sure the zarty will survive to 2030. But let's wait and see.
>We don't need to overthrow it, it slowly dies by itself. I want to remind that we're not commies anymore, good morning.
Not fast enough, accelerate it somehow. Also I haven't mentioned ideology anywhere, the problem with them is the confrotational mindset that tells them to look for enemies where are none and antagonize neighbours for no real benefit (but the old people are happy, I guess.)
>We could if we weren't sanctioned by the West.
Actions have consequences. We are all men here.
>I think rich Russia that buys Chinese goods is better for China than instable poor piece of land with nukes.
True, but they also can have their nationalistic moment and declare that since im 1488 B.C. warlord Cing Ciang owned this particular piece of Russian soil so it is forever their and they want it back. Being too dependent on a single supplier is a huge vulnerability.
>Life will suck but we won't just disappear from the map as you fellas hope us to.
Actually I would prefer you to disappear the Chinese from the map, but it is what it is.

>>5942
Baiting westoid, pls let us all just say fuvk banderites and watch Ongezellig

>>5945
>Usually I say "Let's wait and see"
I'll try to not forget it. May God have mercy on zarty and slavs.
>Not fast enough, accelerate it somehow
War is accelerating it. War and free market, I guess.
>the problem with them is the confrotational mindset that tells them to look for enemies where are none
But they are there, you just decline to see it. Otherwise Russia would be in NATO already or Poland wasn't.
>Actions have consequences.
That's why North Korea and houthis suddenly "developed" new modern weapon like ballistic rockets or drones. Actions really do have consequences.
>True, but they also can have their nationalistic moment
Only if Great Leader Xi Neprite Dragon wants it. He definitely doesn't. At least as long as US exists.
>Actually I would prefer you to disappear the Chinese from the map
If China disappears video cards will be expensive as fuck so be careful with your wishes.


>>5946
Fuck banderites but please don't confuse them with normal Ukrainians that are majority in Ukraine.

>>5944
I meant painted in a figurative way. For example China boasts about its high-speed rail but it's unprofitable, and they need to import most of their food abroad due to continuous arable land loss.

>>5949
>For example China boasts about its high-speed rail but it's unprofitable, and they need to import most of their food abroad due to continuous arable land loss
Oh yeah, we have few things like that. Google "Avtovaz" and see how profitable is it. But that isn't casual phenomenon in fact.
>You can see there are innumerable cities in Russia that have been virtually untouched
Unfortunately, we really do have a lot of forgoten little cities with 3000-10000 population but even there situation improves slowly as far I know. Not everywhere though, but it is hard to restavrate our economy after USSR and 90's with a still big amount of (((oligarchs))) and commie degenerates in power.

>>5951
I deleted that post because I admittedly don't know how Russia has developed after the early 2010s, and the perception of the country is still how it was in the 90s and 2000s which isn't farfetched but I doubt leaps and bounds have developed just like how China boasts about how much they've grown since the 2000s; every two or three cities are some grey commieblock town where people drink themselves to death and act as a reservation for the elderly and frontier ethnicities. I'm not even including Vorkuta and Norilsk, they are a league of their own. Thoughever I'm skeptical to anything Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians have to say about themselves and each other.

>>5942
>untestrained capitalism
You're so fucking stupid holy shit

>>5944
>>Russia got utterly raped by liberalism, unrestrained capitalism, and the (((oligarchs))).
>True.
zigger doesn't know his own history, damn

>>5953
Also
>oligarchs
as if having money gave you any power in the Eastern Europe when glowies can defenestrate you any time. That's a distinctively mutt understanding of politics.

>>5955
Why would they defenestrate or assassinate you when you are part of the tribe, I doubt the animosity between western and eastern yids is that immense.

>>5956
It's more of a hierarchy thing. It doesn't happen very often, but the possibility is always there.

>>5952
>every two or three cities are some grey commieblock town where people drink themselves to death
This stereotype is on the same level with "Russians have bears as their pets".
>I'm not even including Vorkuta and Norilsk
Stereotypes again, these cities are pretty fine, we're not a USSR anymore. We have way worser regions and cities actually, like Saratov or Chelyabinsk.
>I'm skeptical to anything Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians have to say about themselves and each other.
That's fine, but you also should be skeptical to any information about these countries that you can't factcheck.

>>5955
In 90's Russia money was all that matters. Law was a fiction, everyone could pay and do anything.
>>5957
True only for Putin's Russia but times when glowies rule everything slowly passes away anyway.

>>5958
>capitalism is when state and its oligarch friends can do whatever
Hoppe forgive them for they don't know what they are saying

>>5952
I have been to Western Russia, Saint Petersburg specifically.
Honestly the big cities are mostly fine, but you have to look out for scammers and organized gangs trying to steal your shit. If you get lost, you're 100% not getting help from anyone because people barely know their surroundings, it feels like walking in a city from the 2000s honestly, and sometimes you see more recent things pop up, it's the textbook definition of second world country

>>5959
Your entire LARP is based on two 15-minute long Youtube videos.

>>5962
>you base your beliefs on 2 youtube videos that you barely watched
meds + projection + twp

>>5963
Only brownoids can say "twp"
GEEEEEEG

>>5961
>but you have to look out for scammers and organized gangs trying to steal your shit
Not really, big cities are usually safe, it's just Petersburg kinda special in that way with a lot of drug addicts.

>>5964
tmp zigger afraid to say twp because he will be no longer white according to his socialist albino BVLL

>>5971
16 cm
>muh tiny white gringo o algo

>>5972
TMP confirmed
>>5973
literally what 60% of ziggers look like

>>5975
The monkey is too white

>>5978
OMG HE'S JUST LIKE ME FR

>>5976
He's right you know

up

>>6052
Why would you do that

>>5931
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>>5958
Samefag
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>>6090

russia has a population of something like 130 million and rapidly falling
USA is approaching 350 million and growing
EU approaching 450 million
NATO combined almost a billion
it's not a question of whether russia can defeat the west, it's a question of how far russia can go before the west responds

>>6094
but there are 6 ongezillions street shitters in BRICS…

>>6095
brics is just a group of countries who trade among each other in national currency, it's completely irrelevant to my statement

>>6096
yeah, I know, but the duginist third worldists love to brag that they belong to the global (brown) majority

>>6091
found out about so-called "dialogue" award.

>>6094
immigration doesn't count because it always makes the country exponentially worse.

>>6097
>>6094
>russia has a population of something like 130 million and rapidly falling
population of 146 millions, if we don't count new territories, that is rapidly falling because of people immigrating to EU\US 50% of which send money from these countries to Russia o algo.
>USA is approaching 350 million and growing
>EU approaching 450 million
Gorillion of shitskins from Mexico\Africa will save da WEST form da ROOSQUE HUNS….
>NATO combined almost a billion
How much of them will fight and how much of them never held anything heavier than mommy's bosom in their hands?
>it's not a question of whether russia can defeat the west
Cuz da west is gonna fall apart because of Trumps future trade wars with EU and the uselessness of NATO without the US


>>6097
Somehow our brownoids are dying for our interests and helping us right now and your puppet subhumans don't. Supremacy of Russian colonial policy in action.

>>6102
>money transfer from west to russia
highly doubt that that's happening, and even if it is, that is workforce and manpower which the russian federation cannot mobilize in case of war
>demographics
not even a tenth of the eu population is made up of migrants. even if we were to subtract a tenth, the eu alone musters over thrice the population of the russian federation
>NATO willingness to fight
NATO needs to mobilize a tenth of its population to put out more men than the entire russian male population
support for NATO is high in european countries and among majority americans
>NATO without US
NATO without US musters 6 aircraft carriers, whilst russia's only such vessel sits in drydocks and had sailors moved to form infantry formations
the EU alone has over a hundred brigades in it's land forces and can easily increase the number
NATO member states have modern aircraft and air defense systems, both American and european made
the claim that NATO only works because of the USA is unfounded

>>6108
>that is workforce and manpower which the russian federation cannot mobilize in case of war
war is tommorow btw, don't miss it.
>not even a tenth of the eu population is made up of migrants.
Don't worry, EU is working on it. Anyway you don't need millions of migrants to get tens of millions of unpunished crimes.
>even if we were to subtract a tenth, the eu alone musters over thrice the population of the russian federation
Population of continent vs population of a single state. Not like our continent is actually united, I higly doubt that some kind of Slovakia or Hungary will join the war against Russia. Especially if we remember about how popular eurosceptic politicians now even around Western Europe.
>NATO needs to mobilize a tenth of its population to put out more men than the entire russian male population
Lol it won't do even this. You can't even produce weapon without US.
>support for NATO is high in european countries and among majority americans
There I can't say anything, I just don't live in EU or US to disagree with this. But if any other EuroGOD will read this, he could say if it's true.
>NATO without US musters 6 aircraft carriers
Britain doesn't even have enough sailors for its ships lol. Also hypersonic missiles go brrrr(or even drones, what was perfectly seen in the Black Sea)
>the EU alone has over a hundred brigades in it's land forces and can easily increase the number
>MOBILISE CUCKS, FEMENISTS AND MAHMOODS!!! NOOOOW!!!
>NATO member states have modern aircraft and air defense systems, both American and european made
Ukraine has your modern systems too. Doesn't help very much against our modern missiles(best in da world btw).
>the claim that NATO only works because of the USA is unfounded
Hardest eurocopium I've ever seen. Are you sure you aren't Latvian or Estonian? Go eat or something fella, you’re not you when you’re hungary.

no such thing as West. The American Empire of Freedom and Capitalism stands alone against European progressive statism and eastern totalitarianism

>>6109
>>MOBILISE CUCKS, FEMENISTS AND MAHMOODS!!! NOOOOW!!!
You live in a world of fantasy and fiction. The same type of thinking that stood behind going against the Ukraine unprepared hoping they will get demoralised and surrender immediately.
>Ukraine has your modern systems too. Doesn't help very much against our modern missiles(best in da world btw).
Enough to stop "the second army in the world". If what you say were true, the Ukrainian energy system would stop existing long time ago.
>Hardest eurocopium I've ever seen.
You are the one coping here. Which part of what he said is incorrect?

>>6114
>You live in a world of fantasy and fiction.
Who doesn't then.
>The same type of thinking that stood behind going against the Ukraine unprepared hoping they will get demoralised and surrender immediately.
Even though everyone thought so at the time. I want to remind that "Kiev in 3 days" is an American statement, not ours.
>Enough to stop "the second army in the world".
Air defence systems don't strike infaintry. It was the Ukrainian army(which was supplied by da west since 2014) who stopped our advance, not the western wunderwaffe like Patriot or HIMARS systems.
>the Ukrainian energy system would stop existing long time ago.
Yeeeah, we're not destroying their FUCKING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS because we can't, not because it'll cause something worse than Chernobyl. What a nonsense.
>You are the one coping here. Which part of what he said is incorrect?
Every. I don't want to say that RVISSIA IS A HECKIN' ULTIMATE SUPAPAWA THAT WILL BURN AND DESTROY DA WEST, but we probably really do have a strongest army in the world at the moment(not much stronger than American doe) and NATO is way more useless than you think. Especially without US.

>>5925 As an Orthodox Christian, I just want the war to stop, we should be making peace, just as Jesus commanded us to. But I know the West won't stop bankrolling the war, and I know that Bolshevik Putin won't want to stop. The fact he's using the ROC to further indoctrinate and garner support for the war is appalling. I only wish both sides lose, but not for Russia to lose its faith. May God watch over you brother.