No.5583
oh wow would you look at that a bunch of empty words I can ascribe to myself instead of doing some soul searching and figuring out my worth
sure am glad to live in the age of mass online media
No.5584
>>5583does your soul searching usually result in "ooh I'm so hungary"
No.5585
>>5584no because belonging to a nationality is not by itself a substantial achievement
No.5587
>proputin
reelscaca immigrant award
No.5588
>>5587Even though we have been here since at least September.
No.5589
>>5588I meant putinism is the correct term than "proputin"
>but its still the same ou quelque chose No.5593
God I hope you guys responded ironically. How can we have 3 duginists and even a single commie? Sounds impossible.
No.5597
>>55934 russians lurking this site
No.5599
>>5590how about you fuck a goat you retarded ape
No.5600
>>5599You're not you when you're hungry
No.5631
>>5623conservatives, rw populists and facsists should form a coalition and rule the /brabant/ o algo
No.5697
>>5632ahhh yes, projection.
>IT'S NOT US WHO ARE LITTLE SOYCUKS WHO WANT DADDY GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT OUR RETARDED-AUTISM-IS-MY-SUPERPOWER CROWD WITH TAX PAYER MONEY; ITS THEM, THE INDIVIDUALISTS, WHO ONLY WISH TO FETCH FOR THEMSELVES AND PROGRESS WITHOUT STATIST COERCION, THROUGH THEIR OWN INTELLECT AND ABILITIES! THEY'RE LITERALLY REDDIT SOYBOYS AND WE ARE THE CHADS!!! WAAAHHHHHH WAAHHHHHHHHHH DADDY HITLER WHERE ARE MY LEAKY TAXES AT!? No.5698
>>5695>>5697Opposite side of the political Jewish shekel. How do libertarians intend to fix the Jevvish problem?
No.5699
>>5695>Libertarians and Classical Liberals are gemmy albeit.FALSE
>national SOCIALISTS are little communistic whores who deserve the rope together with the bolsheviksTRVE. But now I wonder if it's really a truth because usually you say only delusional things.
No.5701
>>5700This is about mutts, but it applies in the same way to every white country.
No.5702
>>5700>poll is made by a retard btwIt's obvious since he made proputin poll selection instead of putinism
No.5703
>>5702Putinism is not an ideology. It can mean anything, from "I support the president of my country no matter what he does" to "I love third world shitskins and want more of them in Europe".
No.5704
>>5700lol at
>Allow people to take ownership of their lives. the people are retarded, they will as they have always find a way to find themselves in jewish servitude
lolbertarians can't do shit, they have a kike-sanctioned (since it isn't a threat to them) home on reddit along with tranarchocommunism and other subhuman ideologies
its simple, kill kikes and then we can work from there
No.5706
>>5705enjoying the war ivan?
No.5708
>>5704You won't get far if you start with an assumption of inferiority of your own people, although in the case of the USA you may as well be right, knowing how well you suck Jewish cock and now that Trump got elected you will suck their balls too.
No.5711
>>5698>opposite side evendoe we are literal joowish psyop and constantly give them ammo to victimize themselveshow do we intend to solve it? Nigga we literally say you retards should be able to live in a private Hyperborean community, what more do you want?
>>5699I only say based and trve things, 'thing is; most of the stuff I say here are trvkes about the nature of slavic women (BIC lovers) - so I understand why you must find it delusional; admiting that I'm right would lead you to instantly commit suicide (many reasons for that, such as disgust, depression, etc)
>>5704shut up you little collectivist sissy bitch go suck off hitler or lenin retarded fuck
No.5713
>>5708>>5711why resort to projecting faggotry when you don't have an argument? you can just concede
you can't prove me wrong that normies aren't subhuman self-destructing white savior cattle, you have no solution to the jq, you ignore the fact you have to first fix the world before you can live in your paradise
especially in the modern clown world, the delusion of the libertarian is giving everyone, even idiots and evil people, as much freedom as possible right off the bat is a good idea
its a joke ideology, not even fully civilized white ethnostates in the 18th century could pull it off succesfully without eventually making the government stronger (U.S.A. articles of confederation), but somehow it will work if we do it now, because, it just will, ok?
No.5714
>>5713the state is the biggest jewish tool, you're just too blind to see that. The masses are stupid and uneducated? Great, let them die! AnCapitalism is the ultimate natural selection.
>>5712how would the Jews be a problem in AnCapitalism? AnCapitalism is the ultimate reward for intelligent and useful human beings… You think Jews are the masterrace, don't you? I see, it's fine.
No.5716
>>5715didn't answer my question albeit
No.5719
>>5718Arjewntina is an example of "Ancapistan" being controlled by jews
No.5720
>>5719Milei is a madlad, not a jew. You gotta understand the difference, the dude is insane in a good way, take your meds
No.5721
>>5714>Great, let them die!but first, they will day-in and day-out try to kill you for all you have
surely, this is a life worth living, where every waking moment is like an apocalyptic warscape where you have to carry a muh gun and keep 24/7 watch on all you own, since you let the selfish and stupid free to pillage and murder
>>5715>>5717many such cases!
No.5722
>>5721good luck! No state to protect you - I'll keep my M60 thank you very much. Also, the risks outweight the benefits! You need to understand incentives and economics to become an AnCap - if you only acknowledge the societal problems, you may fall towards degenerate socialism as NatSocs do. Assuming AnCap = no order is retarded, learn some basic AnCap beliefs before spewing out the most braindead statist propaganda ever. Who will they pillage? I have a private defense agency with a lot more resources and INCENTIVES than the police would ever have to defend me, I also have insurances and my own guns if the worst case scenario comes to be.
No.5723
>>5720>Jews le good goyim!>disregard the fact that for the first time ever an ancap politician has been enacted, that it was a jewish puppet!>the market will take care of that!Jews thrive in the free market and other economic areas which have no restrictions, that's why even in today's capitalism we don't have a "free market" but a regulated one
>inb4 real ancap has never been tried>>5721Anarchists might be the most retarded goyims that Solomon can mobilize. What's even the thought process behind having no government? What about the 270 left? Since there's not really any government or entity that controls a certain area, it's up for grabs. How does an anarchist free market work in a system where the currency is printed by the government? What a kiked nigger ideology
No.5724
>>5723Meant to say elected, not sure why it changed to "enacted"
No.5725
>>5723>jews will thrive in a meritocratic systemHOLY goy
>Anarchists might be the most retarded goyims that Solomon can mobilize. What's even the thought process behind having no government? What about the 270 left? Since there's not really any government or entity that controls a certain area, it's up for grabs. How does an anarchist free market work in a system where the currency is printed by the government? What a kiked nigger ideology92IQ for real, damn
No.5728
Larpfest
No.5729
>>5722>I have a private defense agencyholy larp. the only thing you have is a favela apartment and a watchdog
>>5723>anarchists dissolve their constitutional monarchy/republic/democracy >x years of apocalypse and collapse later: new government seizes power from the chaos>anarchists now ruled under dictatorship No.5730
>>5729I see that video is too advanced to you, here is the goyslop version for baby goys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tijcZCpemcs No.5731
>>5711>slavic women (BIC lovers)all your (((polls))) are unrepresentative bullshit. I can't talk for every Eurogirls, but Russian women can be devided into 3 groups
1.BBC lovers(aka Chernylnitsa). They are basically want someone spicy and hot, unusual(non-russian), who gives them emotions, who will carry her like a princess and then beat her almost to death. These girls prefer southren men(like arabs, italians, caucasians etc) because they usually act so. Most loud but the least spread type.
2.Tradwives. Basically tradwives, you can get them only if you are a normie or if you are very lucky and you found a schizo-tradwife girl.
3.Unconscious. They usually think that there are like 6 countries in the world(Russia, Ukraine, USA, Europe, Africa and China) and they don't give a fuck about anything that isn't related to their lives. Often racist but will never admit it. Usually don't like blacks because of their behaviour but also can date a nigger(brapzilian) or a chink if he's handsome and doesn't act like a retard(brapzilian). Most spread type.
No.5732
>>5723>Anarchists might be the most retarded goyims that Solomon can mobilizeIn fact, any anarchy will become a dictatorship sooner or later. State is a superior form of human organization so it always wins.
No.5733
^unbothered truth and this is why not one relevant anarchist society exists today
No.5734
>>5729Nigger problems unseen in civilised countries. Just expel all the niggers and browns from your country and the murder rate will be at level of any european country, that is almost nonexistent.
No.5735
>>5723>Jews thrive in the free market and other economic areas which have no restrictionsInternalised inferiority complex. Stop being a leaky chuddy and step up your game.
No.5736
>>5735>step up your game.Only one solution
No.5737
>>5582where is monarchist
No.5738
>>5735tsmt
>I don't want freedom because ze joos are the masterrace No.5739
>>5731all 3 of them are obsessed with the BIC albeit, so does it even matter?
No.5740
>>5732least statist retarded shithole ziggar russian-empire ussr putin zigga fr
No.5741
>>5737conservative is monarchist
No.5743
>>5739No, only the first group, I explained why. That's why no one likes leftists btw, your only arguments are "no, u wrong" and "ooh ooh aah aah". Your county definitely needs to be colonized by some whites that will elevate you to sapience
No.5744
>>5743>Your county definitely needs to be colonized by some whites that will elevate you to sapienceLike what happened to the Baltic states
No.5745
>>5744Oh no, someone noticed that I've stolen a cool prase. Gonna kill mslf o algo.
No.5746
>>5745Mao is the kind of sharty immigrant that should have never discovered it in the first place
No.5747
>>5741Ah. Well at least in America "conservative" means basically nothing. Most so called conservatives here are further left than Obama in 2012 on most social issues
No.5748
>>5747Both parties serve one master
No.5749
>>5747New World moment. Conservatism can be economically left sometimes though.
>>5748(((Master)))
No.5750
>>5742>white people will default to having child orgies without jewish overlords>white people will default to nigger-tier tribal conflicts without jewish overlordswhich mass-media convinced you of these (((lies)))?
No.5751
>>5750>ITZZZZ DA WHUITE PEEPZZZZ!!!?Polish really fucking are the niggers of Europe
No.5752
>>5751You got brainwashed by kikes and get angry when reminded of that because of cognitive dissonance
No.5754
>>5750>white people will default to nigger-tier tribal conflicts without jewish overlordsThat's not a tribal conflicts, that's a natural use of power if you have it. Seizing wealth from weaker populations is a based European tradition, that's why we rule the world(or used to).
>>5751>Polish really fucking are the niggers of EuropeEvendoe Poland is the least degenerate NATO country.
No.5755
>>5753The very existence of jews is dependent upon the transfer of (mutt) taxpayer money to Israel and to law enforcement that disproportionately takes care of jewish security at the expense of everyone else. Remove that and magic will happen.
No.5756
>>5754Libertarianism postulates private ownership of state, i.e., traditional monarchy.
No.5760
>>5756>Libertarianism postulates private ownership of state, i.e., traditional monarchy.>Men are women.Libertarians want state not to bother them or even to not exist. Also monarch can own the state, but he owns it as well as any dictator does, just in our case he does it de jure.Is Kim Jong-un secretely a libertarian, I wonder?
No.5764
why is the pole the only one with a brain here
No.5768
>>5764If I were Polishzaryan, I would be offended by this
No.5771
>>5768zigger you are a stupid statist
No.5772
>>5757your shitty faggot continent is dying and stagnating you will get replaced by arabs while free markets like the US flourish you dumb bitch you europoors deserve all thats coming for you retarded fucks
No.5774
>>5773yes, that is because we are even more statist than you. The USA is better and will always be better. You niggas will die out and I will enjoy watching it, statist faggots
No.5775
>>5774>this only happens in brown and black majority countriesWho's going to tell him…?
No.5777
>>5774>I live in shit but HEY LOOK AT THE US BEST COUNTRY EVER THAT'S WHY YOU SUCK HA!You definitely like a hohol, not surprising you support them so bad(no offense to hohols doe<3)
No.5778
>>5777I live in the rich part of Brazil and I despise nationalism, so all of this is irrelevant to me. Nationalism is a collectivist tool of the state to control the stupid masses just like religion or mainstream celebrities.
>muh hoholI support them because they are being aggressed + hot women, zigga
No.5780
Never change brabant, never change. This is so entertaining.
I won't ever engage in a debate since no argument ever convinced anyone, but I like reading these threads to further define my own views.
No.5782
>>5778>I live in the rich part of Brazil and I despise nationalismThat says a lot, but was kinda obviously due to your leftist beliefs
>I support them because they are being aggressed + hot women, ziggaDefinitely not cuz (((they))) told you to hate Russia and you follow every (((their))) order and trend like a good goy.
>>5779Almost abandoned microcity(almost a village) in the middle of nowhere. Non-representative bullshit again, keep going, monkey!
>>5781I'm too sceptical towards any form of liberalism but maybe one day.
No.5783
>>5782It's chuddier than you think.
No.5785
>>5780>but I like reading these threads to further define my own views.That can be kinda dangerous actually, you have a good chances to get influenced by some kind of chuddy propaganda if you take people here even a bit seriously. I almost became a nazi when I explored imageboards for the first time lol.
No.5786
>>5785you're literally talking about jews controlling people to hate a dictatorial shithole, idiot
No.5787
>>5785leftist beliefs? Are you retarded? You are the leftist one you braindead fuck, I am as extreme-right as one can get - the left-right divide is socialism-capitalism, you niggers are braindead authoritarian centrists, idiots.
>muh joosno, Russia aggressed Ukraine because Russia is a dictatorial oligarchic shithole, and dictators need to spread collectivist shit to control their population, such as nationalism or religion - pointless wars and mass propaganda helps with that. Someone needs to read 1984.
No.5788
>>5784
>i'm not leftist, you are leftist!
>says the most leftist thing in the whole zarty history.
No.5789
>>5788>leftism is when thing I dont likeyou are a collectivist, socialistic bastard. Lefties like you deserve the rope
No.5790
>you are a hecking leftist!!
<n-no you are the hecking bluepilled socialist collectivist!!!!!1!
can you niggers shut the fuck up kek
No.5791
>>5789>leftism is when thing I dont likeyou are a revolutionary, noviopic degenerate. Lefties like you deserve the rope
No.5793
>>5791you say the same thing as he does
No.5796
>>5793thats the joke churka
No.5797
>>5791Hitler was a revolutionary you retarded fuck, revolution has got nothing to do with left-right. It is an economic divide, and you are a braindead, socialistic collectivist retaded statist dictatorship-loving Zigger, while I am a capitalism-loving individual.
No.5798
>>5796You're Indonesian immigrant anyway
No.5799
>>5797you will never be white
you will always be a brazilian mongrel shitskin
No.5802
>>5798rapefugees from the middle east and from suriname are a lot more common thoughbeit
No.5803
>>5799I'm whiter than you, you are a collectivist socialist sissyboy who will get replaced by arabs; I am a real westerner who loves capitalism and hates the state
No.5805
>>5797>Hitler was a revolutionaryYes.
>revolution has got nothing to do with left-rightRevolution = left.
>It is an economic divideAlso political.
>I am a capitalism-loving individual.Proudest goy award. Keep believe in that and you will never become an actual individual.
No.5807
just post your hands at this point
No.5809
>>5807I refuse to believe anyone in Brazil is actually white and born there at the same time
No.5810
>>5789Anarcho-capitalism is still part of the false collectivist-individualist dualism. They are both sides of the same coin. But you are too stupid to see this, because you conflate an organic social structure with collectivism.
No.5811
>>5805is this why ziggers are so prone to serving retarded totalitarian states? They are so stupid its not even funny
No.5812
>>5810I hate agreeing with a French and a Duginist, but that's kinda based tbh.
No.5813
>>5810it amazes me how little people understand AnCapitalism and yet how much shit they talk about it; no you dumb nigger, AnCaps are not against social structures, they are only against coercive social structures retard
No.5815
>>5812I refuse to believe we have an actual French here and not yet another Russian/Italian on a VPN
No.5816
>>5806>ancapitalism is globalistholy iq
No.5818
>>5811Actual whites do not serve anything but their values, physical and spiritual. But a little egocentric brainwashed mongrel like you can keep thinking that money and Da Market is everything.
No.5820
>>5817So we actually are doing it?
No.5821
>>5818>Actual whites do not serve anything but their values, physical and spiritualThis is so ironic coming from the dictatorship boot licker. Also, how does any of this go against AnCapitalism?
No.5822
>>5815Why someone could want to larp as a Fr*nch?
No.5823
>>5813>they are only against coercive social structures retardSo it is against social structure when you don't like them. This cannot be done to a social organism without damaging its integrity.
No.5825
>>5823do you know what coercion means? I am all for natural hierarchies; unnatural hierarchies would be your relation with the state. Anarcho-Capitalists are against initiating aggression, thats literally it, anything else stems from this principle, it's not that deep
No.5827
>>5821>Dictatorship is everything (((they))) told me to be a dictatorshipI've already got that, you could not repeat you love mass-media and stuff.
>Also, how does any of this go against AnCapitalism?AnCapitalism is an anarchy. Anarchy basically goes against white values like family, ethnicity, christianity etc.
No.5828
>>5824>pure capitalism = leftismmost politically literate cuck
No.5829
>>5828Reddit is down the hall and to the right
No.5830
>>5785Don’t worry about me, I am somewhat well read and remain critical. My biggest take aways are observing how real people express their ideas instead of me just reading the theory on it.
No.5831
>>5827>Anarchy basically goes against white values like family, ethnicity, christianity etc.what? no, how stupid are you? You niggas don't know the basics of AnCap 101 and say shit like this, damn… Just watch the goddamn video, this is the shittiest easiest intro to anything-ancap, perfect for you low-iq mongoloids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tijcZCpemcs No.5832
>>5831This fag was right
>>5814, GEEEEG
No.5833
Show your hand shitskin
No.5834
>>5832it's an intro to AnCapitalism I found yesterday for you bastards, I usually recommend this
>>5727 , but you niggas are legitimately too retarded for it
No.5835
>>5832>t. discovered ancap/libertarianism/meme ideology yesterday Watch how he'll start to bring up Ben Shapiro's talking points now
No.5837
>>5834Destroyed with facts and logic or however the market is freed
No.5838
What's the difference between ancapitalism and just capitalism?
No.5839
>>5830You don't need to read anything ideological actually, ultimately what you think the world should be is a moral subject and you should be enough of an adult to have your own preferences.
No.5840
>>5838>anarcho-capitalismoh nvm, geg
No.5841
>>5834esl shitskin thinks he is special because he can watch two yt videos kek
No.5842
But seriously, what's the difference between of them
No.5843
>>5825>are against initiating aggressionInitiating agression is a part of the nature. Natural hierarchies created solely by contract are a liberal lie.
No.5844
>>5842One is an ideology that makes moral claims on how society should be organised, the other is an economic system that arises when you allow private ownership.
No.5847
>>5842Technically none, as Capitalism is an economic system based on private property, free markets and voluntary choice, however the word has been bastardized to its core, and we now have concepts such as state-capitalism. People think countries nowadays are capitalist, but they are not, they do apply some capitalistic ideas, but they are actually cronyist/corporationist. Anarcho-Capitalism is just pure, real, capitalism, although it also has the philosophical base that explicitly rejects the state entirely, since capitalism cannot exist with a state (since they are inherently coercive). So the answer is that they're the same, but in reality (considering the popular, midwitt use of the words) capitalism can exist within a state, while anarcho-capitalism specifies that only a stateless society can be free of institutional coercion and enjoy true capitalism
No.5848
>>5847>ACKtually real capitalism has never been triedAlso called it at
>>5723 No.5849
>>5843Liberals are mostly progressicucks who hate conservative values
>>5844>One is an ideology that makes moral claims on how society should be organisedIts socialism isn't it?
>>5846>>5847>posted it again awardMaybe it's just capitalism? Then what does "anarchy" have to do with it? What a cancer
No.5850
>>5831>noooo you wroooong look at this vid the (((smart guy))) will explain you how to live!I can explain you myself how any anarchy goes against western values. Let's start with a family.
Institute of a family always developed together with a state. Families are a form of hierarchy as well as state is one. Family relations do not imply any "capitalism" elements, traditional family is a thing that people like you could call a "collectivist leftist bullshit" or something, I hope I don't need to explain why or your family is Jooish and made you pay for a dinner while you were a baby phisically so you can't get it by yourself?
Next one is ethnicity. In anarchy there is no borders. I think that is enough.
As for Christianity, God grants power to monarchs and wants us to follow his commandments. In ancap there is no monarchs who rule in the name of God and there is no law that provides christian morals.
This is the ultra-simplified and ultra-short explanation for a 50 iq libtards like you. Ancap is as leftist as ansoc or anprim so get educated o algo.
No.5851
>>5843the natural part comes from the natural rights of men. We are against coercion, and coercive hierarchies are unnatural in the sense that they violate mens natural rights.
No.5852
>>5846
I have a question, what is the ancap solution to an institution becoming coercive as it grows and gains too much power.
No.5853
>>5849Anarchy doesn't mean what you think it does I'm pretty sure
No.5854
>>5852Or what happens when in the anarchy of capitalism, someone decides to establish a group which controls by force what everyone does?
No.5855
>>5854And he also has the heckin' reddit militia, will you plead him to stop?
No.5856
>>5842Capitalism is kind of an economical system(not really, this term was made up by commies) and ancap is an anarchy but with free market or something as I can understand.
No.5857
>Anarchy is a form of society without rulers.
Then who will rule the country? Definitely not a farmer
No.5858
>>5857In anarchy there is no rulers. That's why it will never work.
No.5859
>>5850families are natural hierarchies, anarcho-capitalists are as pro-family as one can get, they agree that no one but the parents should have as ay in how they want their kids to grow and learn. Families are voluntary associations built around mutual care and dependence, I don't see why you think AnCaps are against that. Traditional family isn't collectivist leftist bulshit, its only that if the state forces it.
>muh bordersyes, state-enforced borders don't exist, this doesn't mean ethnic or cultural groups vanish. We totally allow for private borders, again; read Hoppe, you'll like him, he's the guy who converts braindead mindless NatSocs into AnCapitalism. Anyways, if people want to preserve their ethnic group and culture, not only are they free to do so in AnCapistan, they can also discriminate; remember, ancaps are 100% pro freedom of association
>muh monarchs are kangsso you're a monarchist and you don't know Hoppe? I might as well call this whole christian monarch point retarded (it is), but Hoppe argues for monarchies within a state, I don't see your point.
No.5860
>>5849These terms are overloaded. There is socialism as an ideology (postulating economic equality and bs like that), there is socialism as an economic system (state ownership of business and centrally planed economy), and there is socialism as an epithet (it's socialism, because… it just is, ok?)
No.5862
>>5851>natural rightsUniversal natural rights are post-Enlightenment abstraction. Rights of the individual men must never go above duties towards the organic unity of society, and only the latter is and was always truly universal.
No.5863
>>5857the zigger mind cannot COMPREHEND society without a country, even when pointed towards anarchism he just assumes
country with no leader, ziggers are so interesting
No.5865
>>5864Taliban is not AnCap at all. The closest countries we've had to AnCapitalism would be early America and medieval Iceland. Nowadays, I guess Switzerland, Liechenstein and the USA, but none of them get close, really.
No.5866
>You live under ancap rule
>Everyone can now buy whatever they want
>Jews, now free from the shackles of a controlled government, lobby together to buy large quantities of prime resources and outcompete everybody else, indirectly ruling over the goys
>There's no laws whatsoever, and every part of the land is ruled by the most powerful entrepreneur, with some areas having outstanding laws, which often differ so vastly from one another that you're at risk of getting imprisoned for no reason from the roaming hired soldiers
>You, a medium-sized capitalist, live with your wife and daughter, in the 30 meters square of land which you've had to meticulously inch your way over the past years
>You live in an area made of similar small/medium time entrepreneurs, fending off contenders for the time being
>One day a bigger force simply decides to occupy your territory, using their Capitalism™️ bought militias and weapons
>Your wife is sold in the human trafficking market and so is your daughter, while you're forced to sign a contract which will force you to become an employee of your new ruler
>You have to work 18 hours a day for a shitty pay and you're only allowed to consume company approved goyslop
>You never see your family again
Tell me again why this shitty kiked ideology is even being discussed
No.5868
>>5861Congratulations, you just created a confederation of thousands of tiny tribal states under the guise of security companies. This will work for a while until an ambitious strategist like the Frederick the Great or Alexander the Great comes along and unites all the small states within a confederation against another confederation.
No.5870
>>5862When they gained prominence is irrelevant, the idea of natural rights (life, liberty and property) exist to protect individuals from aggression (doesnt matter if it comes from other individuals or collectives). This simply acknowledges that each person has intrinsic value and autonomy; saying that the duties to the organic unity of society should supersede individual rights is a braindead justification of collectives ruled by corrupt tyrants, this is what has led to literally all shitty regimes in the world, there is no such thing as the good of society.
Also, who the fuck defines organic unity? Societies are composed of individuals with diverse values and goals, any ideology that seeks to force people to conform to an abstract sense of unity is retarded and fails. AnCaps recognize human nature, and we also recognize how retarded most ideologies are, they are literal cults, just like statism. If you want unity, itll come through voluntary association, not coercion. Why should your arbitrary definition of organic unity of society be the supreme goal? The assumption is neither universal nor self-evident. It is simply collective slop
No.5871
>>5868where did you get
statesfrom? Statists really can't read…
No.5872
>>5859>I don't see why you think AnCaps are against that.Because ancaps almost never support traditional families. Capitalists want people to be like people of the New World, that are nuclearised and have the only goal to consume. You can say whatever you want about how much you appreciate traditional families but in fact people with money want only to get more wealth however they can. Not like it's only bad, but without a state no one be able to oppose them. There will be no balance.
>this doesn't mean ethnic or cultural groups vanishIt does. Capitalists are the biggest internationalist as we can see in practice. They prefer niggers and chinks because they are cheaper.
>so you're a monarchist and you don't know Hoppe?Yes.
>I might as well call this whole christian monarch point retardedBecause you are a leftist libtard.
>but Hoppe argues for monarchies within a state, I don't see your point.Never read him but probably will when I get enough of free time.
No.5873
>>5872you are legitimately mindbroken
No.5874
>>5873evendo you're mindbroken over an African socio-economic system
No.5876
>>5866
>Everyone can now buy whatever they want >Jews, now free from the shackles of a controlled government, lobby together to buy large quantities of prime resources and outcompete everybody else, indirectly ruling over the goysIn AnCap, competition prevents monopolies. No one, absolutely no one, regardless of their ethnicity, can rule without state-backed coercion. Voluntary exchange ensures anyone can challenge market dominance, the fact you believe that that would somehow be a viable strategy is funny. Also funny how you don't realize that the state is the ultimate joo-tool
>There's no laws whatsoever, and every part of the land is ruled by the most powerful entrepreneur, with some areas having outstanding laws, which often differ so vastly from one another that you're at risk of getting imprisoned for no reason from the roaming hired soldierswrong. AnCapitalism relies on natural rights, those are the laws. Private defense agencies are inherently incentivized to uphold justice, otherwise they'll go bankrupt on the market. Random imprisionments would not happen, not only are they reputationally bad, but people have guns in AnCapistan - any gun (depending on your community of course, assuming you live in a private society)
>You, a medium-sized capitalist, live with your wife and daughter, in the 30 meters square of land which you've had to meticulously inch your way over the past years>You live in an area made of similar small/medium time entrepreneurs, fending off contenders for the time being>One day a bigger force simply decides to occupy your territory, using their Capitalism™️ bought militias and weaponsAgain, I get it that stupid NatSocs don't understand basic economics and incentives, however, without states, violence is expensive and inefficient. Private defense agencies and market basedarbitration make peaceful negotiations always be more profitable than war. The state centralizes power and has a monopoly over it, which is why wars happen; it is profitable and they have no competition in their nation to challenge their monopoly (unless a revolution happens, which is really rare and will just install another government in the state)
>Your wife is sold in the human trafficking market and so is your daughter, while you're forced to sign a contract which will force you to become an employee of your new rulerslavery violates the NAP. Simple as that. Human trafficking markets also exist today, the only difference is that they would be easier to catch as the 1000 different competing agencies would have incentives to do so. Nowadays all we have is 1 organ who rules all, it is SO easy to run human trafficking rings.
>You have to work 18 hours a day for a shitty pay and you're only allowed to consume company approved goyslopcontracts under duress are invalid in AnCap.
>You never see your family againyou are assuming lawlessness, anyone can create a dystopian scenario, dipshit. This does not take into account any AnCap value or goal
No.5878
>>5876Is ancap a comminism 2.0? Hope you will not commit revolutions with (((their))) help as commies did.
No.5879
>>5878As I said earlier
>Its socialism isn't it? No.5880
>>5867
>braindead justification of collectives ruled by corrupt tyrants
>Why should your arbitrary definition of organic unity of society be the supreme goal? The assumption is neither universal nor self-evident
>the duties to the organic unity of society should supersede individual rights is a braindead justification of collectives ruled by corrupt tyrants, this is what has led to literally all shitty regimes in the world
All great civilizations until degenerate modernity were created , developed and maintained through unity that was coersieve to their enemies and did not care for their invididual rights. Organic unity is not a goal but a natural reality of all healthy non-degenerate and non-decaying societies.
No.5881
>>5880>All great civilizations until degenerate modernity were createdIf you think so, then turn off the internet immediately
No.5882
>>5879yes, pure capitalism is socialism.
>>5880lowest-IQ ever award
>good society is when rampant corruption and I kill people who I disagree with No.5884
>>5881Weren't they? Humans created culture and technologies so why do you think this is wrong? Maybe I just misunderstood you.
No.5885
>>5882>yes, pure capitalism is socialism.Sincere confession award.
No.5886
>>5883you said that you dumbfuck, I just repeated it so you understand how stupid your take is>>5883
No.5887
>>5884the more liberal, the more we advance. Don't mix liberalism with progressism, two different things. The best nations in the world are the ones closest to AnCap ideals. The periods in which we advanced the most were the ones with the most capitalism and free-market. Europe was capitalist, it exchanged it for Social-Democracies, and it is now filling up with arabs and stagnating economically, soon China will overtake them. Sad decay of a statist population who forgot what it means to be an individual
No.5888
>>5886Holy shit dude, you're literally mindbroken, chill out man
No.5889
>>5886You're just describing it as some kind of commie utopia ignoring impossibility of your bullshit theory, that's why people compare it to communism\socialism.
No.5890
>>5884I remember one guy who was against society or system or whatever, but i forgot his name
No.5892
>>5889comparing AnCapitalism to communism is so stupid. Statism is more utopic than AnCapitalism will ever be, only one of them asks for perfect humble beings who rule with a heart of gold. AnCapitalism doesn't requires perfect humans nor bad humans, it only requires humans. Crime and violence will always exist, you just need an ideology that maximizes progress while minimizing coercion. That ideology is AnCapitalism.
No.5893
>>5882>good society is when rampant corruption and I kill people who I disagree withGood society is when everyone has their fixed place and function, under a common religion or at least culture resulting in a vaild sense of purpose. Such as medieval Europe or ancient Greece and Rome, before they were destroyed by degenerate individualism. They were not afraid of coercion or NAPs in organizing their lives.
No.5894
>>5887>the more liberal, the more we advanceLiberals are in power almost everywhere on the west. It causes it's degradation, in Europe and in the New World, what is more noticable.
>Don't mix liberalism with progressism, two different thingsIt's the same thing, differences are miserable for an actual rightist.
>The best nations in the world are the ones closest to AnCap idealsHallucinated it award. I wonder, how exactly do you measure how good nation is?
>Europe was capitalist, it exchanged it for Social-Democracies, and it is now filling up with arabs and stagnating economically, soon China will overtake themEurope was imperial but then leftists(liberals, commies, socialists, nazis etc) seized more power and now we're here.
>Sad decay of a statist population who forgot what it means to be an individualA clear example what happens if you let leftist too much of control.
No.5895
>>5892>AnCapitalism doesn't requires perfect humans nor bad humans, it only requires humans.Impossible. Being yourself as a faith is not considered as an ideology that could maintain the balance of the state. Everyone has different feelings and behavior as good and bad. And to accept as a single feeling, then it still won't be considered as anarchy, much less capitalism
No.5896
>>5892>only one of them asks for perfect humble beings who rule with a heart of goldThat is something that we, ziggers, call "PEREFORS". Ruszaryan, do you know how to translate it in English?
No.5897
>>5893>Such as medieval Europe or ancient Greece and Rome, before they were destroyed by degenerate individualismStop this, you don't have to simp over the hive to be conservative.
No.5898
>>5895There is no state idiot, that is the point
>>5894every liberal nation is failing? The US is doing amazingly well, just like it has been doing for the last 200 years as the most liberal nation in the world (liberal = libertarian)
No.5899
>>5898>The US is doing amazingly wellNot like US isn't a superpower but… Guys, should we tell him?
No.5900
>>5899you bastards don't understand that any of your goals are unachievable through the state. The state is nothing more than the perfect tool for corrupt elites to aggress the common folk and keep themselves in power. The less state, the better; this way, some leftist from California won't be able to completely influence your life with a vote. It is simple.
No.5901
>>5900>there is no state idiot>The United States is doing amazingly well…
No.5902
>>5901I never claimed the US was AnCap dumbfuck
No.5904
>>5903>the closest>but none of them get close, reallywhy are ziggers so illiterate?
No.5906
>>5904Then why did you mention America if he has
states?
>but its just a country name o algo No.5907
>>5906>America is he/him nowGeg
No.5908
>>5907wait, are there 3 russians again?
No.5909
>>5906??????????????????????????????????????? oh my god this zigger is so retarded its insane KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK no way bro said this
No.5911
>>5909You said this:>>5898
No.5913
>>5906for the sake of truth, he said that US are a closest thing to ancap, but still isn't close enough o algo
No.5914
>>5912state
/stāt/
a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
"Germany, Italy, and other European states"
im not talking about whether a country has states or provinces you retarded zigger
No.5915
Which states are the blackest in Brazil?
No.5916
or federative units o algo
No.5918
>>5917>I live in the rich part of BrazilDefinitely Salvador
No.6250
>>6248No way there’s 50 people who use the Zarty
No.6252
>>6251Yeah there definitely are lurkers, however I think that on the Zarty the ratio between lurkers and posters is more balanced than 99 to 1, posting and replying is a large component of what makes the Zarty fun.
No.6255
>>6249All of them are leftists btw
No.6264
>>6263All of them are leftists again btw
No.6272
>>6270the left-right divideis socialism-captialism, capitalism IS the right wing slavdog… you're thinking of liberalism vs totalitarianism
No.6273
>>6272>the left-right divideis socialism-captialismWho will tell him?
No.6277
>>6273I'm right you mongoloid
No.6278
>>6263All of them are modern and therefore cannot stop the devastation of liberalism.
No.6282
itt: people once again fail to place every ideology on a one-dimensional axis
No.6283
>>6282tsmt, the term 'right wing' in common sense day language and not some soyence peer reviewed "definition" encompasses so many different ideologies that can conflict with each other, that the term loses any value other than being a very very simple label.
No.6285
>>6273I will take the burden of educating my fellow unwashed brown masses
>>6272capitalism and socialism are both liberal revolutionary concepts, aka leftoid nonsense
What (You)'re thinking of is reddit political compass memes
No.6286
>>6284I think even usual square political coordinates represent reality better than this something. Lenin is more left than Trotsky(???), Czarism is about 100% absolutism(evendoe czars had to balance between their ideas and nobility), Hitler is close to absolutism(???????), you can't be republicanist and a darwinist at the same time(????????????????) etc.
>>6285Holy TRVKE that saved Europe and Christianity.
No.6287
>>6278>Anarcho-Capitalism is moderateobsessed rotten mindbroken by bbc frenchie brain
>>6283right wing is capitalism, left wing is socialism, tell me an ideology and I'll place it in this axis and explain why. AnCaps are far-right, Fascists are center-left, Communists are far-left
No.6288
>>6286>Lenin is more left than Trotskywhatever, they're both dead
>czars had to balance between their ideas and nobilitythe struggle for power and possibility of a coup is always there, we are talking about ideological postulates, not how well they were implemented in practice
>Hitler is close to absolutismfuhrerprinzip
>you can't be republicanist and a darwinist at the same timeyou can't, the concept of human rights doesn't allow that in fullness
No.6289
>>6284this looks really retarded, it still has the exact same problems as the original PC has. It clumps up totally contradictory ideologies in the left-right divide, you might as well not have that divide at all. At least it gets rid of fake ideologies such as Anarcho-Communism or Authoritarian-Capitalism
No.6290
>>6285revolutionary-conservative has got nothing to do with left-right you braindead mongrel
No.6291
>>6289classification of ideologies based on tradeoffs between three values makes much more sense than "everything I don't like is left wing"
No.6292
>>6290Says you, the graduate from reddit.
It's quite literally exactly what it means. Kill yourself.
No.6293
>>6291okay? Not my point. Remove the left-right divide completely, it is meaningless in that framework. Any definition of the left-right divide that clumps together literal Anarchists and Absolutists is retarded. The Capitalism-Socialism one is the best, but it also doesn't really fit that triangle. Honestly, now that I look deeper into it, I think it's ok. The labels and position of figures/nations is REALLY retarded though; look at China, for example
No.6294
>>6293>Remove the left-right divide completelyYou can ignore it and that's what you should do, it is meaningless and always boils down to "this is bad according to my moral framework"
No.6295
>>6293>The labels and position of figures/nations is REALLY retarded though; look at China, for exampleI agree with this one, it's communist only in name
No.6296
>>6292you're such a stupid mongrel, wow. meanings change and evolve over time, the socialist-capitalist one is consistent, always. The one you propose is useless is any modern political sense;
tradition is linked only to a small niche of retarded conservatives without any real economic or political-structure values, while equality can mean anything you want depending on what you believe to constitute true equality. The historical roots are irrelevant for our discussion you stupid mongrel
No.6298
>>6295China is pretty much Fascist, which is why they're not a complete shithole; Fascism is bad, but it is still 10x better than Communism
No.6301
>>6296You admit that the meaning of left and right are fluid throughout time and context.
You insist upon left and right being determined by economic framework, however the contemporary meanings of left and right are not solely defined by economic systems, furthermore ideology is not reducible to a single aspect.
It does not matter what definition academics come up with for a term, what matters is how people use the term in real life. In real life left and right aren't only about economic systems, but about an ideology as a whole.
That being said, I believe left-right is too simplistic to fully encapsulate ideology, although it can be useful to determine enemy-friend distinction in some cases.
If you want to have clear communication you should use the terms socialist-capitalist instead, however you use left-right because that has more moral weight to people compared to socialist-capitalist.
No.6304
>>6300kys mongrel
>>6301fair. I agree honestly, but I still believe pushing the left-right distinction as socialism-capitalism is worth it. The left-right dichotomy will not die anytime soon, and it is currently used in the mainstream as right = everything bad for the neoliberal status quo, and left = everything useful-idiot-like for the neoliberal status quo. The right-wing fascism and nazism narrative has established itself on people's head definitively, so they now use it to attack capitalism as analogous to nazism or some other retarded collectivist shit like that (some even go as far to claim that Stalin was capitalist), so pushing something as consistent and easy as the socialism-capitalism division into the left-right divide is worth it in the end
No.6305
>>6301> furthermore ideology is not reducible to a single aspect. although this is pretty irrelevant and doesn't go against anything I've said.
> In real life left and right aren't only about economic systems, but about an ideology as a whole. which is why we should change it, and the left-right dichotomy does not stem exclusively from top-down or bottom-up action, its current form is only useful for retarded neoliberals and progressists
No.6308
>>6288>whatever, they're both deadAnd? Who cares if they're dead, was more right and adaptive than people thing. Evendoe he was a homosexual.
>we are talking about ideological postulatesThen czarism isn't even an ideology, that's just the word commie use to say "monarchy is le bad"
>fuhrerprinzip>we will place people at coordinates not because of their deeds, but because of what they say.>you can't, the concept of human rights doesn't allow that in fullnessRepublicanism isn't about human rights though. It's about election, no matter who or how elects.
No.6309
>>6296>meanings change and evolve over time, the socialist-capitalist one is consistent, alwaysJesus Christ, socialist-capitalist one is consistent even though it was made up by bunch of leftists in 19th century and never was correct. Let's make it more clear: everything that goes against traditional foundation is revolutionary and leftist. "Capitalism" itself, in the definition of a market economy, isn't left but if you trying to push your liberal degenaracy labeled as "TRVE capitalism" it will still remain a liberal degeneracy.
No.6310
>>6309I meant consistent as in it works-consistent, not consistent throughout time as a concept.
> Let's make it more clear: everything that goes against traditional foundation is revolutionary and leftistsubjective. How far back would you trace that foundation? Let's say you set it at the birth of the left-right divide; this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
>but if you trying to push your liberal degenaracy labeled as "TRVE capitalism"??? A market economy requires freedom, freedom allows
degeneracy as long as it doesn't infringe on other's rights
No.6311
>>6310>I meant consistent as in it works-consistent, not consistent throughout time as a concept. Still never worked in fact, one dimension is not enough to describe an ideology.
>subjective. How far back would you trace that foundation?It doesn't goes back, it goes right. We still have the same traditions, only details change.
>Let's say you set it at the birth of the left-right divide; this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftistNo, I don't need to set it at the birth of the left-right devide. As I have said, we still have the same traditions. Anyone, who declines it and tries to find something new is leftist. Those, who accept it and build their nation in accordance with tradition are rightists.
No.6312
>>6311>dimension is not enough to describe an ideology.no one's describing an ideology zigger
>it goes right.zigger die
>traditionwhose tradition you dictate? Again, it is subjective. That left-right divide is the ziggerest shit ever, its awful
No.6313
>>6312>no one's describing an ideologyWhat the fuck then you mean by left\right? That's a political system.
>whose tradition you dictate?Every ethnic group has its traditions, oh my God, how brainwashed lefties can be
>Again, it is subjective.>No, in this left\right devide I will be a leftist and I want to call myself right so u wrong. Mmmmmmm macaco soup, yum yum. No.6314
>>6310>this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftistNo you dimwit. People live under governments, of which you could say 99% are leftist (most countries are some sort of facade democracy), and as people can only politically operate within the purview of the government they're under, they can only engage in leftist governance (voting, running for elections etc.) But that doesn't mean right wing positions can't be had within this purview. Anything championing tradition, even within leftist governing bodies, is right wing.
No.6315
>>6314both can be true at the same time you retarded fuck
No.6333
nah cause have this shit on the website was confusing and it took an hour to know what all of them met
(i took National socialist for Denmark?? :3333).