/brabant/ - International Politics

Are religious Jews better or worse than non-religious ones?

>>12360
probably better since irreligious jews have the greedy, materialistic and xenophobic aspects of Judaism with none of the actual morals

>brabantshits don't know Hitler was Christian
>brabantshits don't know Judaism is literally immoral Satanism
>brabantshits don't know how to bait properly
Take a load of these neggers

>>12369
i love it when maya looks like that

>>12369
Kys slavshit you will never be white.

>>12375
No, we're baltic (source: >>>/brabant/3854).

>>12375
brown, yellow, green, purple maybe?

>>12369
>brabantshits don't know Hitler was Christian
He wasn't. while he acted Christian that was a ploy to gain support from the majority Christian population at that time and even if he was there's no way to be Christian while killing 300k jews because while they are usually evil they're still human

>>12391
>pagays haven't read the Mein Kampf
>pagays believe in fake and intentionally made up shit
Geg!
>pagays think non-whites are human
This is why you will never understand us and Hitler included. You're a nativistcuck. You Will Never Be As Based As Me. Cope.

>>12393
christ

>>12393
I'm not pagan I'm Christian and while i believe whites excel above other races in our creativity, intelligence and morality they are still human and even if you don't want to help them you shouldn't go out of your way to hurt them

>>12395
Cuck morality. Immorality, even. This is what we don't like here. You're not a true zaryan. Educate yourself ligger.

>>12396
Diddlyblvd think he Nietzsche??????

>>12396
even if you don't believe in objective morality religion and other morality systems are still a net-positive for society because without them we would fall into degeneracy and distrust of others

>>12402
Geg once you boil down their arguments they sound even more retarded

>>12391
This is why Hitler is kinda gay Otto won btw

>>12401
What? I have never said there's no absolute objective morality. You're an idiot. Your morality is not christian, it's "meh ZOGged" and internationalist (communist). Considering other races human and valuable is literally communism!
>>12402
Read between the lines ok
>>12404
>but muh homo[sexual] sapiens and shit, we all are fukkkin one species!
>How these stupid protestrannies even dare to deny the soyience!

>>12401
>even if you don't believe in objective morality religion and other morality systems are still a net-positive for society

You are missing the bigger picture. You cant even make an argument that there is no objective morality without contradicting yourself, because argumentation presupposes that we ought to follow the truth. If there is no objective morality, why I ought to follow your position?

>>12416
>Considering other races human and valuable is literally communism!
even if you consider other races animals then god still tells us to respect animals and not just kill them for no reason.
>Your morality is not christian, it's "meh ZOGged"
Just because i think we shouldn't kill niggers doesn't mean im some Jewish tranny piss-drinker. I think that Judaism, Multi-culturalism, homosexuality, transgenderism and leftism in general are all incredibly detrimental to society and to individual well-being but i think that instead of killing these people we should try to reform/assimilate them (with the exception of racial minority's who I believe should be deported)

>>12421
>You cant even make an argument that there is no objective morality without contradicting yourself, because argumentation presupposes that we ought to follow the truth
No, it doesn't presuppose that of course. I remember Molyneux making that mistake in a debate once. You can state someone is wrong without claiming there exists an objective standard by which being right is preferable to being wrong. That's a whole separate statement.

>>12422
Blah blah blah nobody's reading this zogfest

KILL ALL NIGGERS KILL ALL JEWS KILL ALL FAGGOTS WHITE POWER 1488

>>12424
That's mean man :(

>>12426
Do you find yourself in any of the people ive listed to kill

>>12427
Uhhhhhhhhh no.

>>12427
yes

>>12369
Most retarded thing i have heard all day.

the NSDAP was basically completely atheist and agnostic in design. if they were truly christcucks like low iq retards tell you they were they wouldn't have massacred millions of jews and christians in eastern europe (this was a good thing for slavs unironically, germany helped get rid of a lot of the filth that permeated in eastern europe)
christ trannies statistically are more likely to share more values with leftoids than with a person like himmler or hitler.

also, OP is right lol

>>12430
>>12431
>NSDAP wasn't christian because they were a non-religious organization
The genius in the replies
>killing jews… le bad!
Christ doesn't support this opinion. Johm Baptist too btw.
>killed gorillions of Eastern European Christians… Oh nee!
Stalin did it.
>christ trannies statistically are more likely to share more values with leftoids than with a person like himmler or hitler
cuz they're catholix. They follow paragnostic teachings of da church fathas, not the Bible. And if you read the Mein Kampf you will see all the praises to Christ, to the Lord, parallels and references to the Bible, as well as Hitler's biblical terminology in many cases. You're just uneducated, and you probably research their views based on post-war forgeries, not on their own works ("officer I can't read!").
>>12432
Bait.
>>12422
>even if you consider other races animals then god still tells us to respect animals and not just kill them for no reason
They're a special species of the beasts, they're specially created to be damned and exterminated (2 Peter 2, Wisdom 12, etc.).
>Just because i think we shouldn't kill niggers doesn't mean im some Jewish tranny piss-drinker.
But why should you even care about their lifes? I would've understood if you just made a neutral face like you don't care if they're alive or not but your position isn't like this.
>I think that Judaism, Multi-culturalism, homosexuality, transgenderism and leftism in general are all incredibly detrimental to society and to individual well-being but i think that instead of killing these people we should try to reform/assimilate them (with the exception of racial minority's who I believe should be deported)
Evil things happen because of le evil people. Kill them and nothing will happen. And what does it mean "to assimilate"? How can you assimilate an already white transgender or whoever? Wtf, you just stated the ethno-racial minorities should be deported, whom the fuck you're planning to assimilate?

>>12440
Correct take: Christianity is not inherently cucked but every church today is cucked and (You) are not going to save them.

>>12443
Not even the gates of hell can prevail against Christ's church. Now, which one is his church exactly?

>>12446
His church isn't an organization but all the lost sheep that believe in Him, yeah

>>12459
Ohhhhh I see.

>>12359
No they don't, prove it goyim

>>12369
Hitler was pagan, which is the religion of National-Socialism.

>>12468
Read the Bible and then Mein Kampf and perhaps you won't make retard statements anymore

>>12472
Maybe you should do a Google search, you retarded slavshit.

>>12481
>reading MUH SOURCES in the big '25
No thanks I'll just let notebookllm summarise it for me.

>>12440
>The genius in the replies
ok
>Christ doesn't support this opinion. Johm Baptist too btw.
Really? both of these people were jews and it's widely accepted that jesus muh "king of the jews". the only reason both of these people resent jews is just simply just jewish infighting like how communists wanted to stamp out jewish religion or how today insane palitrannies fight retarded ziofags about a bunch of abraps in a desert. i could literally go on about christ being a jew and supporting jews himself LOL he was just mad jews were insane retards as always and didn't follow his religion he and his buddies made up.
>Stalin did it.
insane mentally ill swarthoid georgian communist pedophile also did it so i guess it's ok.
>cuz they're catholix
ok fair point lol, catholix are the scum of the earth but even then a protestant today is still closer in thought to a catholix then they are to people like himmler or hitler
>And if you read the Mein Kampf you will see all the praises to Christ, to the Lord, parallels and references to the Bible, as well as Hitler's biblical terminology in many cases.
can you mention them right here in this thread please?
>>12441
the man in the pic you are quoting is what klaus schwab refers to as useless eaters

>>12493
that was jesus muh "king of the jews*

>insane palitrannies
moreso mainstream leftoids, not just palitrannies considering support for gaza abraps is unanimous in the leftoid mainstream. my bad here.

FUCK BROS WHY WERE COMMUNISTS SO BASED FOR HATING JOOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTHLzBEO0I Hitler and Wotan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjlXlEhZB-8
Nazi Occultism

>>12498
>occultists pretending nazis to be one of them
>>12497
>>12496
>praising communism
>>12494
Jesus was the king of Israel (the heirs of the promise), and the words about the "king of Judea" were a mockery of the Romans because they were retarded so they couldn't distinguish ethnonym and demonym/polytonym.
>>12493
>both of these people were jews
Both them were Israelites. Modern Jews are canaanites and this is genetically undisputable. Cope.
>but le commies fought da religion…
Cuz communism is a religion, congratulations with awakening.
>insane mentally ill swarthoid georgian communist pedophile also did it so i guess it's ok
No it was done by him alone.
>But modern churches… Modern prots are closer to catholix than Xitler and Ximmler!
Whataboutism. I was talking about the catholix and protestant christians in 1930s.
>can you mention them right here in this thread please
This comes up too often throughout the book, so please be specific about what exactly to bring up, his analogies or terminology? Or both? Or just the moments where he praises the Lord.

even if israelites aren't related to jews or whatever by whatever mental gymnastics you go by they are still retarded brown middle eastern people

>>praising communism
i was not praising communism you fucking retard, the point i was trying to make is that just becuase christ hated le jews didn't mean he was one or associated with them. he simply hated them for being a different branch of judaism instead of his own branch and this goes for every early christian kike out there. kikes love to infight amongst petty shit amongst themselves. you're the only person who hasnt realized this and you are either purposefuly misinterpreting it in bad faith (probally the most likely option since christ trannies basically argue in the same dishonest shitty manner as leftist) or are just being retarded.
>Jesus was the king of Israel (the heirs of the promise), and the words about the "king of Judea" were a mockery of the Romans because they were retarded so they couldn't distinguish ethnonym and demonym/polytonym.
So he was jewish.
>this is genetically undisputable.
even ashkenazis have 40-60% israelite middle easterner or whatever, not counting mizrahi or whatever. i don't care. jesus was a genetically speaking a brown mizrahi jew now most closely related to abraps in modern day palestine and mizrahis and this is 3000% indisputable.
>Cuz communism is a religion, congratulations with awakening.
too retarded to understand what i was trying to say award
>No it was done by him alone.
what?
>Whataboutism. I was talking about the catholix and protestant christians in 1930s.
Not a whataboutism what are you even talking about? you can't engange with what i am trying to and so have to resort to literal muh fallacy midwit bullshit as expected. Hitler and Himmler are closer in terms of ideology and thought with Varg Virkenes then they are to your average christkike whatever branch of zogtianity they are
>This comes up too often throughout the book, so please be specific about what exactly to bring up, his analogies or terminology? Or both? Or just the moments where he praises the Lord.
just mention when hitler praised christ or said he hated pagans or whatever in his book, just proves your point unless you don't have proof for that which i am increasingly seeing here.
>>occultists pretending nazis to be one of them
what are you trying to say here? did you watch the video in the first place?

>>12507
Johan Oosthuizen's research on this topic debunks such statements. Israelites were Nordics and closest to modern Celto-Germanic people.
>also the ancient Israelites ("Chiefs of Retjenu") according to Egyptians
And yes his hypothesis is literally true since it matches with the prophecy from Genesis 9.

>>12508
>i was not praising communism you fucking retard, the point i was trying to make is that just becuase christ hated le jews didn't mean he was one or associated with them
He hated (((them))) for their ancestry and origin, though. He never considered (((them))) as "sheep of Israel". Get real uh.
>he simply hated them for being a different branch of judaism
Modern Judaism is from the Pharisees. The Pharisees were Edomites that desecrated the Scriptures and added their Idumean oral traditions to the canon. The real Old-Testament religion wasn't "(((judaism)))", because it's actually a non-Israelite, Canaanite bastardization of the first.
>kikes love to infight amongst petty shit amongst themselves
Irrelevant whataboutism
>You're the only person who hasnt realized this and you are either purposefuly misinterpreting it in bad faith (probally the most likely option since christ trannies basically argue in the same dishonest shitty manner as leftist) or are just being retarded
No it's just you being vile from your heart. I can't change it. You're still circumcised in the heart anyway (Romans 3), cope with this, heathen.
>So he was jewish.
Jews stole their identity from their conquerors just like modern Iranians call themselves "Aryan". It's a pretty usual scenario when the conquered replace the conquerors and steal their identity, idk why pagans hate when anyone applies it to the Bible.
>even ashkenazis have 40-60% israelite middle easterner or whatever
It's canaanite admixture. Israelites weren't related to them. They were migrants from Japhetic Europe (Genesis 9), and if more precisely, from the CWC.
>jesus was a genetically speaking a brown mizrahi jew
Never happened. His reconstructions based on the Turin Shroud show he was a northern European phenotypically. And most likely higher than you (≈182 cm).
>now most closely related to abraps in modern day palestine
Yeah bcuz they're genetically canaanite. You're making me sick by confusing the Canaanites and the Israelites.
>and this is 3000% indisputable.
*3000% mainstream ethnology, just like muh black hunter-gatherers
>what?
I meant Hitler didn't really genocide us unlike Stalin. Out 10 mln inhabitants of Belarus there was 1+ mln Jews. The Nazis killed kind of 800k civilians under their rule, and approximately 750k of them happened to be jewish.
>Not a whataboutism what are you even talking about? you can't engange with what i am trying to and so have to resort to literal muh fallacy midwit bullshit as expected
whatever you say
>Hitler and Himmler are closer in terms of ideology and thought with Varg Virkenes
Yeah racist christians and pagans are united in their racial identity but it's not an argument
>…then they are to your average christkike whatever branch of zogtianity they are
Because of gnostic universalism that's rooted in pagan philosophies which attracted christian leaders after the death of the Apostles for some reason (okay it was ignorance and the obsessed medcuck mindset)
>just mention when hitler praised christ
In his autobiography, ofc. But he usually refers to the "Almighty Lord". Whatever, there's a William Fink's articles section on his site (Christogenea), which focuses directly on this:
>Historical Studies
>>Historical studies
>>>Modern History
>>>>Modern History
>>>>>Hitler and Christianity
>>>>>>Hitler and Christianity
>>>>>>Hitler, Christian, Part 1
>>>>>>Hitler, Christian, Part 2
<brapbant space
>or said he hated pagans
Pagans weren't a real demographic group back then, so he barely spoke about them. Especially in Mein Kampf. Cope with the fact paganism wasn't even real before, idk, 1990s? You got the idea.

I support the belarussian in this ❤️❤️ Go girl!

>>12522
Then why don't we find samples of Nordics and Celto-Germanic people in the levant during that time? we can find simples of sintastha aryans in india who were unmixed from jeets but we can't find aryans in the levant? there is no archeological record of what you are talking about. disproven by the lack of actual proof.
>He hated (((them))) for their ancestry and origin, though. He never considered (((them))) as "sheep of Israel". Get real uh.
meds
>Irrelevant whataboutism
saying shit he doesnt understand award
>Modern Judaism is from the Pharisees. The Pharisees were Edomites that desecrated the Scriptures and added their Idumean oral traditions to the canon. The real Old-Testament religion wasn't "(((judaism)))", because it's actually a non-Israelite, Canaanite bastardization of the first.
i don't care, it's foreign brown levantine garbage either way.
>No it's just you being vile from your heart. I can't change it. You're still circumcised in the heart anyway (Romans 3), cope with this, heathen.
holy seethe
>Jews stole their identity from their conquerors just like modern Iranians call themselves "Aryan". It's a pretty usual scenario when the conquered replace the conquerors and steal their identity, idk why pagans hate when anyone applies it to the Bible.
those "conquerors" are genetically the same levantine brownoids even if they were, who cares.
>It's canaanite admixture. Israelites weren't related to them. They were migrants from Japhetic Europe (Genesis 9), and if more precisely, from the CWC.
is there ANY archeological record of this? ANY. any samples in cementeries, any artifacts from CWC or any signs of large scale settlement? this is unsubstantiated.
>Never happened. His reconstructions based on the Turin Shroud show he was a northern European phenotypically. And most likely higher than you (≈182 cm).
im 190cm and also the turin shroud still makes him look like a swarthy middle eastern man, also it's obviously fake lol, its more consistent with an artistic low-relief representation than with the direct imprint of a real human body
>Yeah bcuz they're genetically canaanite. You're making me sick by confusing the Canaanites and the Israelites.
Israelites, Caananites and other groups were all once again extremly close genetically with each other and pair up with modern abraps, levantines, mizrahi and other such brown people.
>*3000% mainstream ethnology, just like muh black hunter-gatherers
black hunter gatherers isn't the academic consensus in anthropology and more recent constructions of people like the cheddar man show olive skinned phenotypical europeans. cope.
>I meant Hitler didn't really genocide us unlike Stalin. Out 10 mln inhabitants of Belarus there was 1+ mln Jews. The Nazis killed kind of 800k civilians under their rule, and approximately 750k of them happened to be jewish.
he still killed like 19 million civilians though. some of them might be jewish but the majority were slavs. this was probally more beneficial than hurtful though, considering the 6 million are real and hitler absolutely wanted to exterminate the parasite ashkenazi race.
>whatever you say
lol
>Yeah racist christians and pagans are united in their racial identity but it's not an argument
it's still an argument though, there are racist christians out there but your average christian is some boomer who thinks niggers are on the same level as white people.
>Because of gnostic universalism that's rooted in pagan philosophies which attracted christian leaders after the death of the Apostles for some reason (okay it was ignorance and the obsessed medcuck mindset)
paganism and animism is not even gnostic, christianity inherently has some gnostic ideas such as that the world is corrupt, whilst most pagan and animist religions don't.
>Because of gnostic universalism that's rooted in pagan philosophies which attracted christian leaders after the death of the Apostles for some reason (okay it was ignorance and the obsessed medcuck mindset)
>Almighty Lord
so he doesn't mention him at all in his book?
>Cope with the fact paganism wasn't even real before, idk, 1990s? You got the idea.
retarded nonsense, germans by even the 1880-1940s had gotten into germanic occultism and explored their pagan ancestors. NSDAP symbols and imagery is riddled with pagan terminology and the thule society wasn't founded in the 1990s. cope.

>>12660
This is a more recent anthropological reconstruction of the cheddar man, just to prove my point.

>>12660
>Then why don't we find samples of Nordics and Celto-Germanic people in the levant during that time?
We only find their admixtures amongst the neighbouring peoples, because we don't have any Israelite sample, only the Canaanite ones. But The increasing proportion of Indo-European (WSH and even WHG, which is also very important) genetics in the blood of various Canaanite (and other) tribes tells us of their continuous presence until our era (Anno Domini), when the mass mixing throughout the Roman Empire turned not only all of the province of Judea brown, but also Italy and so on. This is also very clearly visible when comparing admixtures by epochas. The correlations between these core european admixtures (ANF, WHG, WSH) tell us that the population that introduced all these into the genomes of the neighboring peoples consisted purely of these components. It's very similar to the situation in India and Iran, because we only know sintashians, andronovians and others migrated there due to their linguistic legacy. No actual samples were found in those regions.
>we can find simples of sintastha aryans in india who were unmixed from jeets but we can't find aryans in the levant?
If we can find sintashians in India, then ok, provide some examples of this, I would like it. And the resson why we don't have any israelite sample from Levant is that in Israel, for religious reasons, it is forbidden to dig up any "judean" (modern pharisaic idumean Judaism considers itself the legitimate descendant of the religion of the Old Testament Israel) burial sites, graves and cemeteries, so the only samples available to us are those of the heathen Canaanites. But since not only the Israelites were of Abraham, so not only they were the representatives of the Aryan subrace of Europeans. For example, the Lebanese (Druzes) got their Aryan-like admixtures from Midianites. Thus there HYPOTHETICALLY can exist some burials that could be legally excavated. Although the non-Israelitic descendants of Abraham did not have their own racial laws like Israel had, which means they most likely dissolved into the local population relatively quickly. However, before the events of the book of Numbers, the same Midianites were considered racially related to Israel. In nutshell, it's a complicated story, why we don't have any Aryan samlle frok Levant. You know, it's totally a third world stuck in local snca wars so it's unlikely to get any new information or data from there except for, idk, (((Israel))), which, again, prohibits any excavations.
>there is no archeological record of what you are talking about.
Because Abraham and his offspring adopted local material culture and even language (yet before Abraham even was born though).

The rest of your objections will be commented some hours later cuz I'm busy living my stupid slavtard life

>>12663
>We only find their admixtures amongst the neighbouring peoples, because we don't have any Israelite sample, only the Canaanite ones.
So no artifacts, no Unmixed samples, no proof of CWC settlement, nothing?? seems like my explanation is more sound and pairs up with occams razor.
this can be explained by greco-roman settlers, slave trade of european wowen (who were especially valuable in slave markets) and indo-iranic admixture. you can see this with how "Dinka" (niggers) had a presence there too which can only be really explained by a continual slave trade.
>But The increasing proportion of Indo-European (WSH and even WHG, which is also very important) genetics in the blood of various Canaanite (and other) tribes tells us of their continuous presence until our era (Anno Domini), when the mass mixing throughout the Roman Empire turned not only all of the province of Judea brown
there would have probally been mixing there already at increased levels if true. even with extensive segregation african-americans and opposition to mixing they still have like 21% Euro ancestry. staying unmixed for literally one and a half thousand years is completely impossible unless you're some kind of insane extreme ethno-chauvinistic group like the jews.
>This is also very clearly visible when comparing admixtures by epochas. The correlations between these core european admixtures (ANF, WHG, WSH) tell us that the population that introduced all these into the genomes of the neighboring peoples consisted purely of these components. It's very similar to the situation in India and Iran, because we only know sintashians, andronovians and others migrated there due to their linguistic legacy. No actual samples were found in those regions.
actual samples were found in these regions though. it's just that jeets try to hide it and conceal these
https://x.com/Tom_Rowsell/status/1907333046304424038
https://x.com/oxyyonx/status/1907425619358409074
>If we can find sintashians in India, then ok, provide some examples of this, I would like it.
lol
>Because Abraham and his offspring adopted local material culture and even language (yet before Abraham even was born though).
cultures historically NEVER do this for obvious reasons unless they were dominated and enslaved and forced to take another culture like niggers. once again if CWC settled in the levant we would see archeological proof and samples and it would be noticed by archeologists, there is stuff that we just don't find from graves like certain tools and pots that shows a link to a culture that we would find it CWC settled there. this is unreasonable and retarded, occams razor.

>CWC settled in the levant but we never, EVER find even a single sample of an unmixed CWC man or wowan anywhere in the levant, zero, nothing.
>CWC settlers abandon their cultures, tools, language and etc even though this would have left them extremly vulnerable
>CWC settlers then stay unmixed in the levant for thousands of years until WSH, WHG and ANF ancestry starts increasing conveniently at the same time roman and greek settlers start settling in the levant aswell as other european-related peoples in general from the aforementioned slave trade
belarusKEKS this is your reasoning

>>12667
actually lets lower the bar even further, not even an unmixed CWC man, just someone who has more than 30% euro related ancestry that isn't ANF (WHG,Steppe) showing up on the record

>>12665
btw what the sample is
>guy with 80% euro related steppe ancestry from the ending stages of the harappan culture
>first full specimen of a full of an aryan european invader into south asia, there are probally more considering this sample was intentionally obscured by pajeets

>>12668
actually, ANF included if it's not the middle eastern average of 20%

>>12660
>>He hated (((them))) for their ancestry and origin, though. He never considered (((them))) as "sheep of Israel". Get real uh.
>meds
Just read the Gospels
>saying shit he doesnt understand award
No it's just your comment on the (((jewish))) infighting within doesn't actually proves that the Israel was (((Jewish))) in modern terms.
>i don't care, it's foreign brown levantine garbage either way
Basically because it's idumean not israelite
>holy seethe
Keep raging on Christ for salvating (You)!
>those "conquerors" are genetically the same levantine brownoids even if they were, who cares
>Israelites, Caananites and other groups were all once again extremly close genetically with each other and pair up with modern abraps, levantines, mizrahi and other such brown people.
<already answered on this
>is there ANY archeological record of this?
Abraham and his family were of the indo-iranian group of the IE and when his ancestors came to Mesopotamia they adopted local gods. I think it is obvious that the presence of Aryans in Iran is archaeologically proven, but not in Mesopotamia.
>also the turin shroud still makes him look like a swarthy middle eastern man
No actual professional reconstructor makes Him look so, only online "artists" do it.
>also it's obviously fake lol
"Because someone said so"
>its more consistent with an artistic low-relief representation than with the direct imprint of a real human body
False since the 3D reconstruction in this case would hardly be possible
>he still killed like 19 million civilians though.
Never happened. 60% of these civilian losses occurred in territories that were not occupied and had never even come under German control. Like, again, look at Belarus: 95% of the killed "civilians" were jewish.
>there are racist christians out there but your average christian is some boomer who thinks niggers are on the same level as white people.
Because modern churches were from the very beginning poisoned by greek philosophy, and from these early churches the modern churches take their origin, and not merely nominally, but also theologically, which is the reason why they believe that nons descend from Adam (because pagan hellenes thought so).
>paganism and animism is not even gnostic, christianity inherently has some gnostic ideas such as that the world is corrupt, whilst most pagan and animist religions don't.
The idea of corruption is true albeit, but the main thing I would like to say is that it's not gnostic.
>so he doesn't mention him at all in his book?
He prefers not to divide the personality of the triune God into the Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit, because he is not a theologian, and in general the Founding Fathers did so as well, for that they turned to God in general
>germans by even the 1880-1940s had gotten into germanic occultism and explored their pagan ancestors.
These were a few circles of schizophrenics that resembled the New Age, and that's noticeable they also based their teachings on literal Kabbalah, so we can only consider these circles as an unnoticed niche group of larpers connected to (((Judaism))) for some reason.
>NSDAP symbols and imagery is riddled with pagan terminology
The medieval Franks, Jesuits and the Teutonic Order were not pagans, I hoped you knew.
>and the thule society wasn't founded in the 1990s.
SNCA society, the NSDAP members like Rosenberg only visited there as guests (out of curiosity, obviously).

>>12665
>So no artifacts, no Unmixed samples, no proof of CWC settlement, nothing??
No samples because of the fact that (((Israel))) prohibits such activities as excavations of (((theur)))™ burials.
>this can be explained by greco-roman settlers,
Greeks had low WSH ancestry, barely any WHG. Romans had also low WSH. Also, the aforementioned Greeks had minor CHG, NHG and IHG admixtures, but we only have correlations between WSH, WHG and ANF.
>slave trade of european wowen (who were especially valuable in slave markets)
How then can we explain the anomalous explosion of Aryan R1 haplogroups among local peoples who mixed with the ostracized Israelites and other Abrahamites?
>and indo-iranic admixture.
From whom?) Mitannis, idk, Persians?) All of them were already brownized and barely could introduce such strong impurities of WHG into the levantine locals.
>you can see this with how "Dinka" (niggers) had a presence there too which can only be really explained by a continual slave trade
Yeah, and it happened during the Roman rule. Like, le based pagans willingly replaced themselves and other whitoids with literally the blackest of nations.
>staying unmixed for literally one and a half thousand years is completely impossible unless you're some kind of insane extreme ethno-chauvinistic group like…
Like the Israelites. All their Holy Scriptures are based on fatalism, predestination, racial purity and so.
>the jews
(((Jews))) Are only chauvinist towards the White people. (((They))) are literally the most racemixed ethnic group ever existed. And would "le chauvinists" have ever come up with the concept of gerut? I doubt this.
>actual samples were found in these regions though
Well, didn't know, thnx for this anyway. But it still doesn't change the situation in (((Israel))) where exhumations are prohibited.
>cultures historically NEVER do this for obvious reasons unless they were dominated and enslaved and forced to take another culture like niggers
Abraham's ancestors did so because they were a small clan of people surrounded by millions and millions of swarthoids. They could maintain purity within their small group, but they would hardly dare to have conflicts with the locals. Abraham's father, for example, literally sold the Mesopotamians their own hand-made idols. Of course, in view of these circumstances, God later turned to Abraham to bring him back to the bosom of the true God and remind him of his true identity. If we accept as a fact that Yahweh is the "Sky Father" of the initial Indo-Europeans, then this would make sense (especially if we take into account the words of the apostle Paul in Romans 1:20s).
>once again if CWC settled in the levant we would see archeological proof and samples and it would be noticed by archeologists,
I already said why we don't have any actual Israelite sample (because it's le heckin immiral according to Judaism), therefore it's an irrelevant objection. And I haven't even specified that it would have only made sense if Abraham and his clan had been a large group from the very beginning .
>there is stuff that we just don't find from graves like certain tools and pots that shows a link to a culture that we would find it CWC settled there. this is unreasonable and retarded, occams razor.
I can't say anything other than to point out that if we look at the clothing of the Israelites, rather than the material culture in general, we will have more confidence in what I am trying to prove. Mainly because the clothing is more distinctive, and therefore in ancient illustrations we would be able to see clear differences between the Israelites and the local peoples in clothing than in pots. The ancient egyptian illustration of the Israelites that I've already dropped in this thread before and the depiction of Jehu from the Black obelisk of Shalmaneser III as an example of having pretty "indo-european", scythian clothing (and "indo-european" racial features as well btw). See picrel.
And nkw, let's move on to another reply:
>>CWC settled in the levant but we never, EVER find even a single sample of an unmixed CWC man or wowan anywhere in the levant, zero, nothing
The only graves that the Jews allow to be dug up are heathen ones. So yes, it is difficult to find a grave with Israelites if they were segregated from the heathen browns by the ethnoreligion.
>>CWC settlers abandon their cultures, tools, language and etc even though this would have left them extremly vulnerable
They were already "vulnerable" and already adopted local cultures before the Lord brought Abraham back to Him.
>>CWC settlers then stay unmixed in the levant for thousands of years until WSH, WHG and ANF ancestry starts increasing conveniently at the same time roman and greek settlers start settling in the levant aswell as other european-related peoples in general from the aforementioned slave trade
How could the Romans infuse more WSH admixture than ANF? How could the Greeks infuse a three-way admixture without infusing minor CHG, IHG and NHG ones? And how many slaves would have been brought to Levant for the modern Druze to have 20% admixture of "some northern european population"? Why do we have no information about these slaves? And why do we see the infusions of european admixtures before the Greeks and Romans first settled in Levant?
>actually lets lower the bar even further, not even an unmixed CWC man, just someone who has more than 30% euro related ancestry that isn't ANF (WHG,Steppe) showing up on the record
The fact that all these ANF-WHG-WSH impurities are inseparably correlated with each other leads us to the same thing that such a sample would lead to. Moreover, it gives us more grounds to talk about the unmixed population than a potential sample with 30% WHG+WSH.
>>guy with 80% euro related steppe ancestry from the ending stages of the harappan culture
>>first full specimen of a full of an aryan european invader into south asia, there are probally more considering this sample was intentionally obscured by pajeets
Even the pajeets try to hide such obvious things, what do you expect from (((jews)))? That (((they))) will themselves go out of their way to prove that their identity is false and was stolen? That's not just naive but stupid. Although in reality you probably didn't even think about it.
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P.s. I know it wasn't a direct migration from the CWC, it just seemed to make more sense to mention the CWC when talking about Genesis 9. Anyway, the Indo-Iranians were also descendants of the CWC so let's just keel in mind the nuances.

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>>12694
>>12695
These samoles aren't israelite. See my previous objectiions and Oosthuizen's commentaties on these samples.

Also
>Tajik Yagnobi
Geggest kek I've ever got

8. "Genetic analysis of [so-called, supposed] 'confirmed Israelite' skeletons from the Early Iron Age, late first Temple period, Persian period, Hellenistic period, and pre-First Jewish-Roman War period, including the two published EIA samples: I4517 and I2201, and the multiple unpublished samples from the aforementioned eras, including, but not necessarily limited to:
I14918, I14919, I4570, I13826, I13831, I13832, I6852, I7037, I3970, I6854, I6856, I6863, and I3832, from the following archaeological sites: Modin, unnamed 'mass grave', Nesher-Ramla, Hazor, Herodium, Abel-Beth-Maacah, Meggido, Gush Halav, Ein Gedi, 'Jerusalem, near the King's Burial', Givat HaMivtar, 'Wizoh', the 'Homa Mountains', and Kiriat-Jearim, all have a typically Levantine genetic profile on 25-dimensional eigenvalue scaled PCA coordinate based Euclidean distance optimisation admixture inference software. Therefore, this hypothesis is false."
The admixture profiles of all the unreleased samples, bar I14918 and I14919, of whom the author has only been informed, rather than seen themself, due to the information provided to the author by individuals who are in close contact with David Reich, Hila May, Liran Carmel, and Ron Pinhasi, are known to the author, however, unfortunately, the author has not been given access to the genomes of these samples for his own analysis, so must rely upon the analysis of others who have a bias against this hypothesis. The archaeological sites in which these samples were found were provided to the author in a broad manner, without indications regarding which sample was found at which site, or if all the samples whose admixture profiles the author had seen, were exhaustive in regard to the archaeological sites, though presumably they were not. Regardless, what follows shall be multiple concise explanations regarding why each archaeological site was not home to Israelites, and consequently, why each of the aforementioned samples were not Israelites, followed by speculation upon (to varying degrees of certainty) the true identity of the samples at each site.
- Abel-Beth-Maacah: I2201, a skeleton excavated from the region, is publicly available and carbon-dated to 1014 BC. Temporally, this ancient individual could not have been an Israelite, because Abel-Beth-Maacah was not an Israelite city until at least 1 Kings 15:20 (after 930 BC), before then, it was an independent city-state that was only mentioned as harbouring a rebel against King David and negotiating peace on their behalf [2Sa. 20:14-22]. Canaanites also lived amongst the Israelites in this region (see Objection 6). Culturally, this ancient individual could not have been an Israelite, as the paper from which it is sourced, "The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant", explicitly states that it practiced Canaanite material culture: "… we assembled a dataset of 93 individuals from nine sites across present-day Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon, all demonstrating Canaanite material culture." [31]. Genetically, even when one assumes the false consensus that the Israelites were a Southern Canaanite people to be true, this ancient individual could not have been an Israelite, as they were the only sample genetically similar to the Sidonian Canaanites of the middle Bronze Age, i.e., it was a Northern Canaanite, not a Southern Canaanite: "The only inland population that resembles Sidon is Abel Beth Maacah, perhaps because of its geographic proximity." [31]. Therefore, this ancient individual was clearly not an Israelite, but a Canaanite, even under errored paradigms.
- Megiddo: I4517 is publicly available and carbon dated to 1109 BC, and from the same source as I2201. The same arguments, therefore, apply here, (excluding the argument of genetic relation to Lebanon_MBA and the specific temporal biblio-historical arguments). It is recorded in Joshua 17:11-12 that the Israelites failed to conquer Megiddo during the initial invasion of Canaan, leaving the city in Canaanite hands until at the very earliest 970 BC, when Solomon took control of Megiddo and began building a temple there (1Ki. 9:15). Therefore, temporally, this ancient individual could not have been an Israelite. Considering the cultural and temporal arguments, even if one wrongly assumes the Israelites were Canaanites, this ancient individual could not have been an Israelite.
- Kiriath-Jearim: I14918 and I14919 are the sample IDs for the ancient individuals in question from this site. They are carbon dated to around 480 BC (2430±20 BP, PSUAMS-8559) [3].
According to a paraphrased quote found in Haaretz, from one of the authors of the preliminary mtDNA study of these individuals, Israel Finkelstein, in "Ancient Mitochondrial DNA Analysis of an Iron II Burial Cave on the Slope of Tel Kiriath-Yearim", the burial was identified as an Israelite burial based on its geographic proximity to Jerusalem alone, with no other supporting evidence for this classification, i.e. there were Hebrew inscriptions upon the burial walls confirming the identity of the deceased, or pottery that is useful for anything more than dating the burial (i.e. explicitly cultural pottery). The date of around 480 BC raises significant concerns regarding the cultural identification of these individuals for numerous reasons already outlined in Objection 4, notably, the fact that the Edomites and Northern Arabs had, by this point, taken possession of, assumed the identity of, and demographically replaced the inhabitants of the former lands of Israel (to a lesser extent, as it was impacted more by Mesopotamian settlers) and Judah (including Jerusalem, in nearby proximity to this burial site). Considering the explicitly Canaanite autosomal genetic profiles of both samples, the Canaanite Y-DNA (J2) of one of the samples, and the Edomite and Arab dominance of the region, at this point in time, one can safely classify these two individuals as Edomites, i.e. Canaanites, not Israelites.

The remaining burial sites were unfortunately not associated with any sample IDs so will be addressed as is, assuming some of them pertain to the sample IDs received.
- Modin: There are two potential burial sites associated with Modin: Qubur Al-Yahud and Horvat HaGardi/Sheikh al-Garbawi. However, both of these sites date to the Byzantine period, not the Iron Age, as evidenced by their architectural structures and the presence of Byzantine murals.
The Edomites and other non-Israelite groups had established dominance in the Levant well before this time, thus it is reasonable to classify any skeletons found in these sites as non-Israelite in origin.
- "Mass Grave": The exact location and dating of the mass graves were unspecified. Without this information, it is difficult to offer a precise identification of the remains. The lack of temporal context prevents any meaningful comparison to known conflicts or the ethnographic makeup of the regions during the relevant periods, in order to infer the possible cultural identity of the deceased, so for the sake of the argument, it will be assumed that they are not Israelites.
- Nesher-Ramla: This site is primarily known for its Neanderthal remains, however, according to archaeologist Shlomo Kol-Ya'akov, the only non-Neanderthal burial discovered at Nesher-Ramla dates to the Early Bronze Age around 3600 BC [33]. This predates even the Canaanite civilisation, and, therefore, can be conclusively classified as non-Israelite.
- Hazor: The burial site within the ancient city of Hazor is dated to the Canaanite period, specifically the 18th century BC. This is corroborated by the work of archaeologist Sharon Zuckerman [34]. Therefore, any samples from this site can be conclusively classified as non-Israelite.
- Herodium: It is widely acknowledged that King Herod, who was buried here, was of Edomite descent. There is a possibility that this refers to the skeletons associated with the 70 AD Jewish revolt. Historical records, such as Jospehus' Wars 4:4:4, make it clear that it was primarily Edomites/Idumeans, not Israelites, that defended the temple against Roman forces. These Edomite groups were later dispersed across various regions, contributing to the formation of the Jewish diasporic communities. Therefore, any samples from this region can be safely classified as Edomites.
- Gush Halav: The surrounding synagogue's currency has been dated to between 300 and 500 AD, and the tomb itself to approximately 400 AD, according to Ntanel Velenksky (1973). As in the case of Modin, this strongly suggests that the skeletons at this site are not Israelites.
- Ein Gedi: The burial site at Ein Gedi, dates to between 100 BC and 100 AD. At this point in time, Ein Gedi was securely within Edomite territory, and during the Persian period 200-400 years prior, which acts as a suitable proxy for this period, less than 10% of Idumaea was Judahite, with Edomites and Arabs forming the majority. This site was identified as Israelite solely because it had multiple coffins in a cave [35]. The practice of placing multiple coffins in a cave, while identified as a cultural trait of Israelite burial practices, was also found among other regional groups, such as the Arabs (Madain Salih and Turkmaniyah tombs) and the Edomites (Umm al-Biyara, Maresha, and Horvat Armuda sites). Therefore, the assumption that this site was one of the Israelite/Judahite community is unsupported by the available archaeological evidence.
- Jerusalem, Near the King's Burial: This descriptor is too unspecific to identify the burial site, and give any commentary. Based on the pattern established in the preceding examples, it is likely to be non-Israelite.
- Givat HaMivtar: The tomb of Jawhnahan ben Hag-kal, dated to the period between 100 BC and 100 AD based on the use of an ossuary, presents some ambiguities. The name "Hagkal" lacks clear Hebrew etymology and is likely a transliteration of an Edomite name, considering the historical context. Around this time, the Edomites had been thoroughly blended into what remained of the Israelite population of Judaea [Strabo Geographica 16.2.2, 16.2.34; Antiquities 13:257-358, 13:395-397; Wars 1:63; Ammonius Grammaticus "Concerning Similar and Different Words"], so this is definitely plausible. Another individual associated with this tomb is believed to have contributed to the construction of Herod's temple, further reinforcing the Edomite connection. However, there is not enough information to definitively identify the cultural identities of the individuals buried here, however, given their genetic profile and context, it is unlikely that they were Israelites/Judahites.
-Wizoh: The author did not locate information on a site named "Wizoh", though will defer to the assumption that it is a legitimate site, though based on the pattern established in the preceding examples, it is likely to be non-Israelite.
- Homa Mountains: The only reference to a location similar to "Homa" is Mount Homa in Kenya, however, the author does not doubt his source and will instead assume that the site in question exists, and is non-Israelite, in line with the trends observed in other cases.
As has been demonstrated, every single one of the so-called, supposed, "Israelite" burial sites and genetic samples are either:
A. Canaanites.
B. Edomites.
C. Unidentifiable.
D. Post-Israelite Levantines (most likely related to B).
E. Pre-Canaanite Levantines.

These two posts above are the very commentaries by Johan Oosthuizen

Also, the Samaritans aren't Israelites. They are descendants of those who were settled in Samaria by Babylon and/or Assyria after the local Israelites were captured and deported.

>>12697
Its probally from indo-iranian dahae/bactrians.

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I did not read any of this btw

>>12703
We have no data on the migrations of these Indo-Iranians from Tajikistan to Levant. And since both Bactrians and, presumably, Israelites were of a common Proto-Indo-Iranic ancestor population, we could only conclude that Tajik-Yagnobi was used as a proxy for the Indo-European admixture (Yagnobis are absolutely non-white but are ≈50% initial Aryans or smth like that).

>>12661
Notice that the WHG weren't ACTUALLY olive-skinned. They looked the way as if they were nordics which got a tan. This is all due to the fact that the skin of White Europeans is thin, while the skin of other races is thick. Only the White man can see the veins on their body, and only the White man can blush and have a ruddiness. All this brings us to the etymology of the name Adam, which literally means "reddish". Thus, Adam was the first White man, and probably looked like this (picrels of the Paleolithic Cro-Magnon man).

>>12703
>>12766
this arguments been going on for the last 10 days. You guys might be the most obsessed niggers of all time

>>12768
This isn't the first time. The Belorussian is the most obsessed nigger I've ever met.

>>12768
Don't worry, it's simply a zarty racial education program, newfags need to get chuddified at all costs.

>>12769
It's a pity he doesn't reply back anymore ToT

Sorry i had to stop arguing becuase i had a semi-psychotic episode after having an exremly vivid dream as a side effect of the medication i used to take for my ADHD which spiked my Noradrenalin but since i had extremly low dopamine it triggered a low level of psychosis for me. i will be back soon. don't take SNRI's and SSRI's.

>>12852
explanation for those who arent aware.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8178969/

Not sure if i should sleep again honestly. i don't have any medications that deal with anxiety or boost dopamine and i will be going to the doctor tomorrow + i have things to do.

the difference is that klavs benefits da jqqz while hitler benefits the heckin based tradcat aryan beasts or something